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davidcwagner
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posted 03-29-2013 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do you think of this Neil Armstrong signed WSS portrait?

chet
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posted 03-30-2013 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chet   Click Here to Email chet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like someone got a nice deal.

davidcwagner
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posted 03-30-2013 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was worried about a Peachstate. I have trouble telling a Peachstate forgery if it is not signed over the flag.

JasonIUP
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posted 03-31-2013 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JasonIUP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about the ones that are not on a WSS photo? You need to be able to identify those, too.

Bob M
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posted 04-02-2013 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's one example of a Peachstate Armstrong other than a WSS portrait. The style is the same as on his 100+ WSS's and with some study, these can be easily identified. This example is on an Apollo 11 crew portrait and the scan is from a color copy of the actual litho that Frohman offered me back in 1998. I asked when and where it was signed and from his letter dated Sept. 16, 1998, he informed me that it was signed in Ohio c. 1989. After turning down his offer to trade it involving one of my TTM Armstrongs, I later saw him offering it in Autograph Collector Magazine for $1,375.

Having a date given by the seller makes it possible to compare this style with the Armstrong Autograph Exemplars here on cS, and when so doing, this "1989" style doesn't correspond to any examples from that time-period and is hard to fit in anywhere.

davidcwagner
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posted 04-02-2013 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are most/all Peachstate Armstrongs uninscribed?

Steve Zarelli
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posted 04-03-2013 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by davidcwagner:
Are most/all Peachstate Armstrongs uninscribed?

Yes. One or two surfaced that were personalized "To David," but they were the exception to the rule.

mjanovec
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posted 04-03-2013 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Steve Zarelli:
Yes. One or two surfaced that were personalized "To David," but they were the exception to the rule.

And from what I recall, the "To David" inscribed example only appeared in David Frohman's Armstrong signature study, alongside several other unpersonalized Peachstate forgeries.

Did Frohman ever make any claims as to the origin of the personalized example?

Bob M
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posted 04-03-2013 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the brief time that David Frohman allowed questions about his forgeries and activities, he responded to a question about the origin of his "To DAVID" Peachstate Armstrong. He claimed that the "To DAVID" piece did not originate from the hoard he said he purchased, but was photocopied in passing over the years.

As far as personalized Peachstate Armstrongs, the only known and recorded example, the "To DAVID," is found in his "Study."

Also a lunar surface photo was sold on eBay years ago with a Peachstate Armstrong and an "11-10-87" inscription added underneath.

Bob M
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posted 04-04-2013 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bob M   Click Here to Email Bob M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JasonIUP:
What about the ones that are not on a WSS photo? You need to be able to identify those, too.
It's easy to identify a Peachstate Armstrong whether on a WSS or not. Shown here is a fairly standard Peachstate Armstrong for demonstration purposes. However, it's unusual in that it only barely touches the flag patch. The large majority cross the flag.

To get started, one outstanding characteristic of the Peachstates, and mistake, is that the long vertical downstrokes of the "N" and of the "A" are usually not parallel to each other, while those lines on authentic Armstrongs are almost unfailingly parallel.

This is actually an earlier example, as they did improve somewhat as time went on.

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