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george9785
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posted 01-16-2013 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for george9785   Click Here to Email george9785     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not autopen so obviously at least one is a forgery (but almost certainly both):

121053101053
160927984784

Seller says he obtained the currently listed eBay item as part of an auction lot. I didn't immediately disclose to him that I was aware that it wasn't authentic. I've since done that and alerted the buyer of the first item.

Most likely printed? I think they're a little too consistent to be traced.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 01-17-2013 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are both the same signature. Copies of an authentic original in my opinion.

I know who owns the original and it is not this seller.

The risk of placing a high res image online. There are a handful of Armstrong signatures that have been reproduced and sold as cuts. I see it all the time.

rgarner
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posted 01-17-2013 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like one sold - a shame.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 01-17-2013 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The sale was cancelled by eBay.

george9785
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posted 01-17-2013 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for george9785   Click Here to Email george9785     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For posterity, since eBay removed both listings and because my subsequent communications with the seller leads me to believe he knew what he was selling, vintage761 was the seller of both those items.

Steve Zarelli
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posted 01-17-2013 08:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a scenario for you...

Someone buys an authentic signed index card. Shortly after, they sell the authentic card.

Several months later, the same exact signature appears on different items. Signed "cuts" or envelopes. A not-so-bright seller would use the same signature on two items for sale at the same time.

Completed item search can be revealing.

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posted 01-18-2013 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dougin SoCA   Click Here to Email Dougin SoCA     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes "greedy" just overwhelms "common sense".

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