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posted 09-15-2012 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Opinions please on these Apollo 11 crew signatures that someone has sent me photos of:

I don't want to influence others' opinions so I won't say anything at this point.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 09-15-2012 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since you're asking opinions and with nothing more to go on about them, I think all three are in no way authentic and appear to be in the same hand. But even if the owner said they were hand-signed in front of his own eyes, I just would not believe him. But once again, just my own personal opinion, rather right or wrong.

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posted 09-15-2012 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm no expert but I agree with you Ken, they all look "iffy".

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posted 09-15-2012 06:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for topmiler     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I agree, iffy.

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posted 09-15-2012 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chariot412   Click Here to Email Chariot412     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not good...

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posted 09-15-2012 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wouldn't touch them!

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posted 09-15-2012 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fredtrav   Click Here to Email fredtrav     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Iffy is being kind.

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posted 09-15-2012 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was really wondering if they're possible KSC-origin 'secretarials'? The Collins is similar to the known style.

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posted 09-15-2012 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My first thought was the Astronaut Office "secretarials" too, but the Armstrong is of a significantly different style.

Is there any evidence (envelope, letter) that these came directly from NASA? And when you say "KSC-origin," have we any examples of any mail being returned from Kennedy, real or fake? I thought all requests were answered from Houston...

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posted 09-15-2012 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Regardless, even if astronaut secretarials, they're still not authentic in my view, which only again, is a personal opinion.

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posted 09-18-2012 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for leslie   Click Here to Email leslie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Collins is the glaring example of a dud! Didn't even get to the other two!

These are certainly not from the Astronaut Office, in my opinion. The Aldrin is quite awful...

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posted 09-18-2012 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceflori   Click Here to Email spaceflori     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Accidentally I just picked similar samples up in a collection at a stamp auction.

I have seen these styles (that are different from the ones from the astronaut office) already several times and when asked people also proclaimed they came from NASA....

Maybe another secretarial style — I wouldn't rule it out!

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posted 09-18-2012 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bwhite1976   Click Here to Email bwhite1976     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My first impression was that all three do not look right. I could be wrong. The Armstrong and Collins signatures looks very iffy.

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posted 09-18-2012 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Zarelli   Click Here to Email Steve Zarelli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by fredtrav:
Iffy is being kind.
Yes... Why are people dancing around it? There is no way any of these signatures is authentic. LOL And that's not just an opinion, that's a fact!

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posted 09-19-2012 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I should clarify that I told the owner of this piece from the beginning that I had no doubt the signatures were forgeries. I wanted to post the signatures here without expressing any opinion so that they could see other independent opinions. When someone is being told that the item they might have thought was worth thousands of dollars is actually fake, unbiased second opinions are critical.

Anyway, I've been asked by the owner to share a little more background on this one.

The signatures are on the mat of a NASA presentation inscribed to the original owner. It was inscribed to someone at an American Consulate who helped the Apollo 11 crew during their post-flight world tour (name digitally erased in photo below). The presentation was accompanied by a NASA certificate of appreciation specific to the world tour with the awardee's name typed and printed crew signatures.

Has anyone seen personalized presentations like this before? If so, did they have crew signatures ('secretarials, Autopens or genuine) on them or not? I would say the piece would make an odd presentation without at least a set of Autopen signatures on it.

Of course it may be that the presentation was sent out with just the inscription and a forger added the signatures to an open area of the mat at a later date. It seems possible however that the piece was sent out signed, which would mean the signatures were added at NASA HQ.

The interest here is to know if this is a previously unrecognized secretarial style.

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