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zee_aladdin
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posted 12-06-2010 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zee_aladdin   Click Here to Email zee_aladdin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is not a Robbins medallion, but seems to have been flown. Any ideas from anyone here about its origin? Is this price justified?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 12-06-2010 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See Heritage's lot description for some of the background.

Heritage sold at least two of these medals in 2009 and 2010 for $1,792.50 and $836.50 respectively.

spkane
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posted 12-09-2010 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spkane   Click Here to Email spkane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From what I've seen, read and heard my assumption is that these Franklin Mint medallions were not flown. Are there other opinions out there?

base104
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posted 12-23-2010 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for base104   Click Here to Email base104     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe that there were some flown Franklin Mint medallions, at least on the later flights. A little googling will help you.

I almost bought the first one of those that Heritage sold, but I sent them the "Was it flown?" question, and they replied No. But that was just for that particular medallion.

I don't think that there are many of these with Mattingly's name on them out there, but they don't have the provenance and records that Robbins Medallions do.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 12-23-2010 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jim Lovell on Apollo 13 and Alan Shepard on Apollo 14 flew 200 silver medals each for the Franklin Mint under agreement to return 25 of the flown medals to the Mint.

In the case of Apollo 14, 24 medals were returned (the 25th was retained by an intermediary between the crew and Mint) and they were subsequently melted down to create mini-coins, which were then distributed to members of the Franklin Mint Collectors Society on the occasion of the Society's first anniversary.

The remaining 175 Apollo 14 flown medals were divided among the crew members. Edgar Mitchell has since sold some of his (what became of Shepard's and Roosa's medals is unknown).

With regards to Apollo 13, for many years following the mission, it was held in common belief by collectors that Lovell had returned all 200 to the Mint, given the outcome of the Apollo 13 mission. These medals were then subsequently melted down and added to additional unflown silver to mint the mission generic Project Apollo set of 20 medals.

According to the Franklin Mint, due to an error on their part, the first release of the Project Apollo medals contained no flown silver. A subsequent re-striking was said to have corrected that issue, but in the years since it has been suggested that the solution was to add the metal from a single Apollo 13 medal.

It wasn't until the last couple of years when Lovell came forward with his collection of flown medals was it learned that not all were returned to the Mint.

The Franklin Mint medals from Apollo 13 and 14 are well documented, even if their ownership history in the years that followed hasn't been as well tracked. Robbins medals are as close as the astronauts flew to an official, NASA-blessed personal memento, but the Franklin Mint medals stand alone as the only NASA-authorized commercial souvenir carried on the Apollo flights.

george9785
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posted 01-16-2011 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for george9785   Click Here to Email george9785     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe some are relying on Robert's posting to believe or advertise that the Lovell Franklin Mint medals that Lovell released in 2009 with accompanying certification letter were flown. Heritage advertised these medals as either unflown (Heritage Lot 41125) or remained silent on the matter unless asked (see base104's posting above).

Lovell's accompanying certification letter, equivocally, only advises that the particular medals were part of the "original" 200 specimens that were "made for me to take aboard the mission..." He glaringly avoids stating that they were actually "taken" on the mission which he almost certainly would have written had they actually been "taken" on the mission.

It is possible that he is contractually not allowed to state (for whatever reason) that they were taken if they were in fact flown or that he is avoiding some sort of potential legal controversy, but that's very doubtful given Heritage's representations that they were not flown.

Why these medals might not have been taken on the flight, I certainly don't know. Maybe some were inadvertently left behind, maybe NASA wouldn't allow all 200 on the flight, maybe some of the "original" specimens were replaced with others...

Whatever the case may be or unless more unequivocal evidence exists that can be referenced, nobody should conclude or advertise that these medals were actually flown.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-24-2011 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The disparity between what has been the 'common knowledge' about these medals (as I recounted above) and the wording of Lovell's letter of authenticity (as pointed out by George) inspired some further research.

It is now clear that the 'common knowledge' is wrong.

Newspaper reports from 1972 covering the the Congressional investigations into the Apollo 14 Franklin Mint medals (as part of the larger hearings about the Apollo 15 unauthorized covers) make reference to the Apollo 13 flown medals. From the Toledo Blade:

The Apollo 14 coin exchange can be traced back to the crew of Apollo 13, who brought 20 silver coins into space for Philadelphia's Franklin Mint, but were prevented from landing on the moon or going into moon orbit by an accident in space.

When the crew of Apollo 13 returned to earth, they sent one of the 20 coins back to Franklin and kept the other 19 coins. Most of the coins were given to Apollo engineers who helped bring the crippled Apollo 13 spacecraft back to Earth.

I further confirmed with Lovell's office that the medals he has sold through Heritage were indeed not flown.

Still unknown is what relationship there is, if any, between the unflown medals that are part of a series of 200 and the 20 flown medals.

Were they of the same design? Were the 20 a subset of the 200 or a separate minting? Where today are the 19 flown medals that still exist? (One of the 20 was apparently melted down by the Franklin Mint to create the re-issue of the Project Apollo 20-coin set.)

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