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Topic: AA1255319637: Buzz Aldrin-signed book
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Safecoat
Member Posts: 93
From: Austin, TX
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted 10-08-2009 10:10 AM
   
Any opinions about this Buzz Aldrin signed copy of First On The Moon? |
xlsteve
Member Posts: 391
From: Holbrook MA, USA
Registered: Jul 2008
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posted 10-08-2009 10:37 AM
The signature looks good to me, and the bookplate is fetching. |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 10-08-2009 05:58 PM
I personally don't care for the signature at all. It's not a very convincing example. (The seller's other stuff look okay, as far as I can tell.) |
Spacefest
Member Posts: 1168
From: Tucson, AZ
Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 10-08-2009 06:34 PM
I don't understand the fuss. Looks OK to me.You need to be a little loose with book signatures, I've found (ex. Alan Shepard). |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 10-09-2009 12:44 PM
It certainly has some potentially "atypical" traits. |
mikelarson
Member Posts: 293
From: Port Washington, NY
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 10-10-2009 12:01 AM
Even it it's good there are way too many atypical traits for me to even consider bidding on it. And why should we be "loose" with considering the authenticity of signatures on books, anyway? They provide a relatively flat signing surface, are usually signed on a table, not rushed, etc.? |
Daniel Lazecky
Member Posts: 480
From: Czech Republic-Europe
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 10-10-2009 05:52 AM
If choose I could to himself for his collection? No this would metalloid and didn't want would this nor gift.Somebody try to emulate autograph fable moon years with touch - down. This is not simply form writing and character for Mr. Aldrin. I account themselves this autograph like unsuccessful forgery. I believe in you, that the is ready story under what conditions autograph arose,will ready and certificate also. |
David Bryant
Member Posts: 986
From: Norfolk UK
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 10-10-2009 06:48 AM
Looks fine to me!When you watch the speed with which Dr. Aldrin signs a pile of books, I'm surprised how regular the signature turns out! |
AJ
Member Posts: 511
From: Plattsburgh, NY, United States
Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 10-10-2009 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by mikelarson:
And why should we be "loose" with considering the authenticity of signatures on books, anyway? They provide a relatively flat signing surface, are usually signed on a table, not rushed, etc.?
Actually, I think many book signings are somewhat rushed. Also, if anyone has a stack of books in front of them, for mail orders for example, they may not exactly take their time on each signature. Kim made a good point about Shepard's book: the signature in many copies of Moon Shot is quicker and different than an autographed litho. |
gliderpilotuk
Member Posts: 3398
From: London, UK
Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 10-10-2009 07:50 AM
Shepard is actually almost an exception in having such variability/sloppiness in his book signatures.Cooper, Carpenter, Bean, Schirra, Scott, Stafford, Collins... almost consistent every time. I was at the Aldrin book signing where he had 1500 copies pre-signed. Myself and three friends bought eight copies: they were consistent throughout and conformed to the norm. What this "debate" proves is that there's doubt and that doubt will follow this item, wherever it ends up. |
mikelarson
Member Posts: 293
From: Port Washington, NY
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 10-10-2009 09:54 AM
Even if someone at a book signing signs 2,000 books over a couple of hours, the rushed signatures all have common traits that can usually be easily identified. The signatures may be different than the standard, non-rushed signature but they are all consistent in their style and form. Shepard is a good example, along with Bil Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and even Buzz with his recent books.Buzz has signed tens of thousands of books (or more) over the past 50 years, and this is the only one I have seen in this style. And with these tens of thousands of signed Aldrin books in supply, I don't know why anyone would want one so atypical in their collection.
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mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 10-10-2009 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by David Bryant:
When you watch the speed with which Dr. Aldrin signs a pile of books, I'm surprised how regular the signature turns out!
Exactly! And that's why this example bothers me... it hasn't turned out like most authentic Aldrin signatures I've seen. Like Paul, I also watched Aldrin sign hundreds of signatures in a hurry this summer and each one I examined turned out great.The big difference with Shepard books, as I see it, is that Shepard stopped giving a damn how his signature looked. He went from "Alan Shepard" to "Al Shepard" to "A Shepard" to "AS" (and a squiggly line). He simply got tired of signing books and looked for ways to shortcut the process. Buzz, on the other hand, seems consistent with his style and execution, even if some signatures are more hurried than others. Here's a hurried Buzz signature I got in July, for example:  While hurried, the overall execution of the signature matches all of the major traits I look for in an Aldrin signature. Just my opinion of course. There's nothing wrong with a difference of opinions... it just gives one more viewpoints to consider. In the end, potential buyers must weigh all opinions and decide for themselves. And, as I was careful to point out, the seller's other items appear to be real...so I don't believe he is knowingly passing off a bad item to his bidders. |
Daniel Lazecky
Member Posts: 480
From: Czech Republic-Europe
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 10-10-2009 10:26 AM
Yes fine. This is actual heat price form in one's own hand autograph Mr. B. Aldrin. Character, form and swish matches real autograph Aldrin. |
SPACEKID
Member Posts: 59
From: UK
Registered: Oct 2007
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posted 10-10-2009 12:58 PM
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Spacefest
Member Posts: 1168
From: Tucson, AZ
Registered: Jan 2009
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posted 10-10-2009 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
Shepard is actually almost an exception in having such variability/sloppiness in his book signatures.
Some examples of INconsistent ones: Borman, Mitchell, Shepard, Collins (we always have ruined ones or redo's and, I maintain, Aldrin. Cernan's will soon, also. I'll be unveiling his new style soon.Others are machines, with little variation. Young, Bean and McDivitt almost "draw" their signatures. Here are two examples from the latest batch received from Buzz (who's ALWAYS rushed) He switched pens, for whatever reason, but I'm sure you see the spacing differences. His flourish at the end usually stops at the end of "Aldrin" but that's only one point off. The "B" is consistent with his earlier style. On Mark's book copy it's begun in a completely different style. Check out the B and U connection. So what. NOT a good enough reason to remove it from AA. If you have further doubts, don't bid. This discussion will cast a cloud on any resale. Kim |
DChudwin
Member Posts: 1096
From: Lincolnshire IL USA
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 10-11-2009 03:27 PM
My opinion is that the signature is suspicious. While Buzz's autograph can vary, the upstrokes in the A, l and d of his last name are usually close to vertical, and not as slanted as on the book signature. The book example is atypical and not close to any of the ones Buzz has signed for me in person or through reputable signings. I would also pass on this item. |
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