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Mercury7
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posted 04-11-2008 04:12 PM
  
I have been watching this for a couple of days and was curious if you think it is real. If so then someone with the right tools should buy it and make all of us collectSPACE.com nuts a moon boot. 
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LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-11-2008 04:13 PM
Looks real but I believe mis-characterized as having been used to support the actual Apollo missions since it is labeled as a A6L mold... I think the mold pattern however looks identical to the one applied to the A7L boots. The question is whether ILC would have produced new A7L mold sets (appropriately labeled) even if the specifications hadn't changed.------------------
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Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-11-2008 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by Mercury7:
I have been watching this for a couple of days and was curious if you think it is real.
Yes, the boot mold is genuine. Was it used to make Neil Armstrong's boots... impossible to say. It is the correct size of mold (Armstrong was size nine and a half) but ILC used many such molds for both flight boots and training boots. quote:
If so then someone with the right tools should buy it and make all of us collectSPACE.com nuts a moon boot.
For what it is worth I have already brought this item to the attention of a collectSPACE regular on the off chance that he might want to make copies on a commercial basis.Regards, Rick |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-11-2008 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by LCDR Scott Schneeweis:
I think the mold pattern however looks identical to the one applied to the A7L boots.
I have an A6L boot and the tread pattern is different from the ebay item. That matches the eventual A7L configuration IMHO.Regards, Rick |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-11-2008 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
I have an A6L boot and the tread pattern is different from the ebay item.
Is it possible the lunar overshoe design evolved independently of the basic A6L? |
Mercury7
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posted 04-11-2008 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
For what it is worth I have already brought this item to the attention of a collectSPACE regular on the off chance that he might want to make copies on a commercial basis.
Thanks Rick, put me down for one.  Just please ask him to keep the price reasonable. This would be so cool to display in the science center. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-11-2008 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by LCDR Scott Schneeweis:
Is it possible the lunar overshoe design evolved independently of the basic A6L?
Independently... I don't think so. I think the boot evolved along with the rest of the suit but I'm sure Matt Thomas could answer that question better than I.As for A6L being on the mold, quite a few of the components on the A7L suits such as the wrist disconnects, electrical connectors and gas connectors developed for the A6L continued to be used on the later suits. Regards, Rick |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-11-2008 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by Mercury7:
Just please ask him to keep the price reasonable.
I think we could form a queue of people who would like a mold made from the ebay piece. I know of another interested party who would have the means to make such molds... and is watching how the bidding goes.I am sure, unless the ebay item reaches an astronomical price it would not take many reasonably priced molds to be made from it to recoup the cost of buying it. What would you pay for a mold made from this... $150, $200? I would gladly. Here's hoping! Regards, Rick |
Mercury7
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posted 04-11-2008 04:38 PM
I will put up 100.00 to go toward the purchase of this by a collectSPACE member... everyone chime in so we have enough to win. |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-11-2008 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
As for A6L being on the mold, quite a few of the components on the A7L suits such as the wrist disconnects, electrical connectors and gas connectors developed for the A6L continued to be used on the later suits.
Based on above coupled with the example in your collection of a different tread, it suggests that the A7L tread design was initially developed for the A6L as one of at least two variants... |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-11-2008 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
What would you pay for a mold made from this... $150, $200? I would gladly.
Hi Robert, would reproduction boot molds made from this eBay item be something buySPACE might be interested in; just the tread mold of course not an entire reproduction boot?Regards, Rick |
Mercury7
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posted 04-11-2008 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
What would you pay for a mold made from this... $150, $200? I would gladly.
Yeah, I would send in 100 now for someone to win it and then pay another 50 to 100 for the the boot. I think 200 total would be my max I could do. |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-11-2008 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by LCDR Scott Schneeweis:
Based on above coupled with the example in your collection of a different tread, it suggests that the A7L tread design was initially developed for the A6L as one of at least two variants...
That would come as no Scott surprise. I recall an EVA glove made for Frank Borman up for aution about 8 years ago. From memory that was A7L (please feel free to correct me if someone knows different). But that did not have the classic blue grey silicone fingertips to the gloves found on the eventual flown suits.Regards, Rick |
Mercury7
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posted 04-11-2008 04:54 PM
BTW if this takes off then go ahead and nominate a single bidder and I will send my check to them at auction end. |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-11-2008 05:04 PM
First, for point of comparison/illustration, here is a side-by-side view of the mold and Schmitt's boot tread (the photo on the right is an early teaser for an upcoming article on collectSPACE).  quote:
Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
Hi Robert, would reproduction boot molds made from this eBay item be something buySPACE might be interested in; just the tread mold of course not an entire reproduction boot?
In theory, yes. Of course, the extent of interest would rely on the costs, quality, etc. |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-11-2008 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
But that did not have the classic blue grey silicone fingertips to the gloves found on the eventual flown suits.
So it brings me back to my original point... the mold design is not only about the tread itself but is inclusive the shape/tolerances of the interfacing latex that would need to mate to the layered material comprising the rest of the overshoe. I don't know what if any differences existed between the A6L and A7L lunar overshoes (besides the treads) but any adjustments in the basic A7L design, to include a thickening of the ITMG layers, undergarment etc. could translate into design changes in the width/shape of the molded sole walls. |
kosmo
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posted 04-11-2008 05:22 PM
Just wondering, how can this be a complete boot mold, there must be another part to it, if you pore latex into the existing mold, your going to end up with a solid block in the shape of the outer boot, no place for your foot? |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-12-2008 04:42 AM
Where there's a will...Regards, Rick |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-12-2008 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
First, for point of comparison/illustration, here is a side-by-side view of the mold and Schmitt's boot tread (the photo on the right is an early teaser for an upcoming article on collectSPACE).
Another eniqma then as the mold would produce an inverse tread from the one on Schmitt's boot... |
Mercury7
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posted 04-12-2008 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by LCDR Scott Schneeweis:
Another eniqma then as the mold would produce an inverse tread from the one on Schmitt's boot...
I think that is just an optical illusion of which part is raised in the photograph? |
stsmithva
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posted 04-12-2008 08:01 AM
A hopefully-related question: will the next generation of moonwalker boots have a much different tread than this one? Now that I think about it, the tread seems surprisingly simple. Nowadays kids' basketball shoes have all sorts of diagonal lines, circles, etc. to provide grip in all directions. (Of course, some of that is just for show.) It looks like it would have been possible to slide sideways wearing these moonboots.Steve |
Mercury7
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posted 04-12-2008 08:05 AM
Although I would not expect new moon boots to be the same, I would imagine they would have to maintain the super wide design... otherwise they would get clogged up. |
Mercury7
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posted 04-12-2008 08:38 AM
Maybe ILC dover should just buy this mold... probably save 10 to 20 million in development cost and obviously it worked pretty well. Wonder who has the other foot? |
Mercury7
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posted 04-12-2008 09:23 AM
Wow... up to $1525 this morning, that pretty much shuts me out. Any guesses on how high it will go? |
Lunar rock nut
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posted 04-12-2008 09:58 AM
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It looks like it would have been possible to slide sideways wearing these moonboots.
I would believe this tread pattern was relative towards gripping the ladder as well as not clogging with the dust.Terry |
LCDR Scott Schneeweis
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posted 04-12-2008 10:54 AM
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I think that is just an optical illusion of which part is raised in the photograph?
Or the A7LB had a reverse tread (from the A7L). Compare this image of an Apollo 11 footprint with the Apollo 16 footprint in the foreground (bottom right) of this photograph. Note that the peripheral ridge around/adjoining the edge of the lateral treads is raised (Apollo 11) and recessed (Apollo 16). |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-14-2008 09:49 AM
So, is the UK-based winner who paid $6,000 a member of our community? |
Wehaveliftoff
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posted 04-14-2008 09:53 AM
Probably some overpaid cop who searches for assailants by their footprint... |
Rick Mulheirn
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posted 04-14-2008 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
So, is the UK-based winner who paid $6,000 a member of our community?
Let's hope so, and with an interest in latex; ...I mean mass production."Knowlehill"... if your out there... put me down for a copied tread from your mold! Regards, Rick |
Lunar rock nut
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posted 04-15-2008 08:43 AM
If the new owner does not have knowledge of latex, I do. Terry |
Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-15-2008 08:51 AM
While on the subject of moon boots and treads, I have always thought it would be neat to have a rubber stamper in the shape of a miniature moon boot with an accurate tread print on its bottom, so that you could use it to mark bootprints on birthday cards, envelopes, etc. Anyone reading this with the right skills to create such are welcome to run with the idea... I just want the first one. |
BrianB
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posted 04-16-2008 05:05 AM
Robert:I have a laser engraver at work that can do rubber stamps. Can anyone point me to a nice clear hi-res image that I could pull some artwork from? BrianB |
mdmyer
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posted 04-16-2008 05:11 AM
Now that would be a fun stamp. One that adults and kids both would enjoy. I would like to get one for Miranda too. Mike Myer
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