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LadyCosmos
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posted 09-06-2007 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyCosmos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In few days, a philatelic house propose a scarce Flown Apollo 15 Herrick cover. I have ask scans because I would be interesting but I will have too an advice because this philatelic dealer is not space autograph expert.

cosmos-walter
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posted 09-06-2007 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the best of my knowledge all Apollo 15 Herrick covers flown around the moon do not have any KSC postmark. The KSC machine postmark on this cover is another type than the KSC postmark on Scott and Sieger Apollo 15 flown covers. Most likely it was applied after Apollo 15 launch.

Probably Al Worden wrote his letter for another cover.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-06-2007 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Per NASA News Release 72-189
144 Apollo 15 covers which were carried by Worden. 100 of these were especially printed with a cachet showing 15 phases of the moon and marked with the launch and recovery dates by F. Herrick, a philatelist and friend of Worden's, with the aid of Herrick's son. Herrick had advised the Apollo 15 crew to carry first-day covers and to then store them safely for some years, during which they would become valuable collector's items. On the USS Okinawa, the Apollo 15 recovery ship, the astronauts placed two eight-cent stamps purchased on board by Worden on each of these covers and they had the covers canceled by the shipboard post office. The astronauts later autographed these covers while flying back from Hawaii to Houston. Sixteen covers were torn or damaged and were destroyed. Worden gave away 28 of these covers to friends. He then gave 40 to Herrick (28 for himself and 12 for Herrick's son) and entrusted the remaining 60 to Herrick for safekeeping.

cosmos-walter
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posted 09-06-2007 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously much more similar or even matching covers signed by all three astronauts exist, which were not flown on board Apollo 15.

spaceman1953
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posted 09-06-2007 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman1953   Click Here to Email spaceman1953     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And you all will note the spelling error on the color card with the Apollo 15 patch design printed on it...

Leon Ford
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posted 09-06-2007 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leon Ford   Click Here to Email Leon Ford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A few years ago, I purchased two of these covers through a space auction. Both covers were advertised as "Flown Apollo 15 Moon Phase Covers". Both look like the cover above, one has the Herrick address on it, the other one does not. The Moon Phase stamp is in a different location on both covers. They both have the launch postmark and the splashdown postmark. They also have the small cards you show and also the same letter as above.

After doing some research earlier this year, I DO NOT think the covers have were flown. Information came to my attention that Herrick, or someone, had "several hundred" of these covers made up after the flight. If you really look at it, it would not be hard to do. Just get the covers printed and a few Moon Phase stamps made. The autographs could also be forged very easily.

When Worden filed suit against NASA to get his covers back, he got back 60 of these "Moon Phase" covers and 100 for the "Sieger" covers that were given to him by Dave Scott. (Scott and Irwin also got back these "Sieger" although they were not party to the lawsuit.) The covers that Worden got back will probably have a legal letter with them stating what they are. I think without that legal letter, there is a question, at least in my mind, if they are flown.

The covers I purchased were sold in good faith by the auction company and I am not going to go back on them. Both covers are still in my file cabinet.

Do what you think is best. I am going to keep looking for one with the proper documentation.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 09-06-2007 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True, as I have seen similar Herrick covers before in the hands of some collectors, dealers, and in public auctions, and even have handled a couple of them here in my home. As Walter remarked, these are not the flown 15 moon phases variety that Worden had with him on the lunar voyage inside CM-Endeavour in 1971.

Very little is known about these unflown covers, even along with other similar variations (at least two more), that I have seen. It is my belief, however, they were produced by the 100s perhaps by Herrick himself or someone in relation to his company as "souvenir" editions made to represent, or close to it, the real thing!

There is even another possibility, though remote at the time, that an unrelated European dealer had printed the "Herrick" lunar covers himself. That suggestion, however, may be the actual case — now — as I don't recall Herrick ever discussing any additional or similar lunar covers that were offered as "souvenirs" from his company throughout the 1970/80s.

In either case, they were probably made as "souvenir" covers, in my opinion. Another question that comes to mind are the signatures of the Apollo 15 crew on the so-called "souvenir" covers. Are they genuine, even though they appear to be... but?

And as Walter pointed out, many of the souvenir-type covers were posted from KSC on launch day, but with a Type 2 (VIC) machine cancellation that were mostly available at a sub-postal station. Yes, there are still many unanswered questions, etc. concerning the secondary Herrick covers and perhaps, someday, a member of the Herrick family would tell us more, or, somebody else even? It would be nice, huh!

LadyCosmos
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posted 09-06-2007 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyCosmos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I asked this afternoon some others informations about this cover to the seller: origin history, provenance, etc. And other higher resolution scans especially for the crew autograph and Worden letter. When I will receipt the answer, I will post it here.

Thanks again for your help.

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