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Topic: To complete or not to complete?
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mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-06-2006 01:41 PM
   
I recently obtained the Ed White signed pic below and was wondering whether or not to send to Novaspace for completion. At first, it seemed like an obvious "yes" but upon further thought, I was wondering if another signature would enhance this item, as it kind of has "artistic" appeal with the sole signature made by the photographer. And there's the risk that I might not be totally pleased with the finished product with two signatures, as opposed to being pleased with it as is.What would the rest of you do? Convince me either way!  |
kosmo
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Registered: Sep 2001
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posted 05-06-2006 02:40 PM
I've always looked at it as putting a modern signature on a vintage piece. The astronauts signatures change and pen colors change. Is he going to sign it James A McDivitt in a green pen color of the time or James McDivitt in a modern green pen? There are a lot of people paying large prices for red numbered news media photos to have signed today by the astronauts. Isn't that trying to make a vintage piece look like it was signed at the time of the photo? To me your better off buying a modern news media photo for a signature or just a modern 8 X 10 of your favorate photo. Leave your vintage news media photo completly vintage, even if it means you wont have a crew signed piece. Thats my 2 cents worth! |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-06-2006 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by kosmo:
I've always looked at it as putting a modern signature on a vintage piece. The astronauts signatures change and pen colors change. Is he going to sign it James A McDivitt in a green pen color of the time or James McDivitt in a modern green pen? There are a lot of people paying large prices for red numbered news media photos to have signed today by the astronauts. Isn't that trying to make a vintage piece look like it was signed at the time of the photo? To me your better off buying a modern news media photo for a signature or just a modern 8 X 10 of your favorate photo. Leave your vintage news media photo completly vintage, even if it means you wont have a crew signed piece. Thats my 2 cents worth!
You articulated some of my concerns very well. The piece would definitely have greater market value if signed by the complete crew, but it might lose some appeal by adding a 2006 signature to a vintage 1965-66 signed item. Granted, I've never had a problem adding a modern signature to a vintage unsigned photo...but the contrast of a vintage signature against a modern signature might bother me more than it would please me. Okay, now someone convince me the other way.  |
mikelarson
Member Posts: 293
From: Port Washington, NY
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 05-06-2006 05:09 PM
I would leave it just the way it is. I don't think adding McDivitt would add that much to the overall value, and it's nice, clean, and vintage at present. If it were a GT-3 item with Grissom and you were contemplating adding a tougher sig. like Young, or if it was a GT-4 crew pic, I might feel differently, but I personnally think it makes a great single signed item.Mike Larson |
Tom
Member Posts: 1597
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-06-2006 05:26 PM
I have to agree with Mike...leave it as is.
Great photo! |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-06-2006 05:50 PM
I feel it important to clarify an earlier statement, lest anyone think I'm just trying to up the market value of the item for possible re-sale. This is an item I have no plans to sell. While I someday want a GT-4 signed pic, they aren't too terribly rare (only "pretty rare" )...and perhaps it's best not to risk detracting from this photo at all. You guys are convincing me to leave it as is. After all, it's signed by the photographer...and it offers a rare vantage point of the first US spacewalk that I've never seen before.(Anyone know of any other photos Ed White took of the spacecraft during that EVA? I haven't seen any.) [This message has been edited by mjanovec (edited May 06, 2006).] |
Tom
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From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-06-2006 07:25 PM
This one taken from a camera mounted on the adapter section of Gemini 4 has a nice view of the spacecraft along with Ed White.
http://www.spacearchive.net/thumb/S65-29730.jpg |
Tom
Member Posts: 1597
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 05-06-2006 07:28 PM
...and what has to be the best full view photo of a Gemini spacecraft taken during an EVA is this one by Gene Cernan on Gemini 9.
http://www.spacearchive.net/thumb/S66-37989.jpg |
ejectr
Member Posts: 1751
From: Killingly, CT
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-06-2006 07:57 PM
We used to have a saying in the Navy....replacing the expletive with another word...."if it works, don't mess with it".You're happy with the photo the way it is. Don't take the chance of making yourself unhappy with it. |
Rick Mulheirn
Member Posts: 4167
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 05-07-2006 04:04 AM
A super picture signed by the artist. Leave well alone..... and enjoy!Regards, Rick. |
1202 Alarm
Member Posts: 436
From: Switzerland & France
Registered: Nov 2003
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posted 05-07-2006 04:53 AM
Leave it alone ! It's beautiful like that. it's not like an A-11 with Collins missing... |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 2896
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 05-07-2006 05:43 AM
It's a beautiful piece. The first time I've seen it.
What I would do is attempt to get the companion piece, the famous photo of Ed White during his EVA and have it signed by Jim McDivitt. Then you could frame them together and add the American Flag, NASA Meatball, crew photo and maybe the souvenir patch. That way you have a perfect presentation of Gemini 4.Tim |
Joe Davies
Member Posts: 258
From: UK
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 05-07-2006 06:01 AM
I'll be the lone voice in that I think it would be good to have it "completed". Its a mission picture rather than a specific White EVA image and as such would be nice to have it "crew signed". Having said that, it IS pretty neat as is! I think whichever way you choose you can't really go wrong. |
cddfspace
Member Posts: 609
From: Morris County, NJ, USA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 05-07-2006 07:38 AM
I would leave it as is- I think it is a great stand alone piece that speaks for itself!CDDFSPACE |
Scott
Member Posts: 3307
From: Houston, TX
Registered: May 2001
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posted 05-07-2006 08:26 PM
I personally would complete it. Just my advice. But do what you think is best. |
ColinBurgess
Member Posts: 2031
From: Sydney, Australia
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 05-07-2006 08:30 PM
I agree with Scott and Joe; if it was in my possession I would want to have it countersigned by Jim McDivitt while that opportunity - and it's certainly a safe and irrefutable option - exists. But I would insist on it being done with Jim's renowned green ink pen. Just my opinion. |
Moonpaws
Member Posts: 685
From: Lee's summit, MO
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 05-07-2006 10:12 PM
I would have it completed, but if hesitant, make a copy of the original and send the copy in for Mcdivitt to sign. |
Aztecdoug
Member Posts: 1405
From: Huntington Beach
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 05-07-2006 11:19 PM
My opinion... I would have it signed by Jim McDivitt and go for the photo COA.I had one photo COA done, and in retrospect I think it would have been fun to get it done for a few more special signatures. Maybe not every signature, but certainly for something special like this. ------------------
Kind Regards Douglas Henry Enjoy yourself and have fun.... it is only a hobby!
http://home.earthlink.net/~aztecdoug/ |
fabfivefreddy
Member Posts: 1067
From: Leawood, Kansas USA
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted 05-07-2006 11:30 PM
I think it is ok to leave it the way it is. Personally, I am sending my Ed White signed photo to Novaspace to add McDivitt.
It may seem trivial now, but some day the GT-4 crew item will be a rarity indeed.
How many have you seen out there- VERY FEW! I say get it signed, but it is great either way. Tahir |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-08-2006 12:53 AM
I decided to leave the item as is. I like it too much to avoid the risk of ending up with something I may regret. Having a 60s White signature alongside a 2006 McDivitt signature might not feel right to me.As it stands now, it's a vintage sig on a vintage photo. To me, the piece is already aesthetically "complete." Thanks all for your opinions. You helped me make a decision I'm now comfortable with. Besides, I already have too many other pics that needs McDivitt's signature! |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-08-2006 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by Moonpaws:
I would have it completed, but if hesitant, make a copy of the original and send the copy in for Mcdivitt to sign.
Send the copy or the original? Surely, having the copy signed wouldn't qualify as a "complete" crew signed item. |
Moonpaws
Member Posts: 685
From: Lee's summit, MO
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 05-08-2006 09:01 AM
M, you asked for advice. I gave my opinion. Having Mcdivitt sign the copy is for your grins. I'm not suggesting that constitutes a "completed" Gt-4. I personally would be interested in doing that if you made copies or scans available for sale. Vince |
mjanovec
Member Posts: 3811
From: Midwest, USA
Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-08-2006 09:59 AM
Vince - I wasn't trying to be critical of your opinion, as I appreciate all input very much. I just wanted to clarify what you meant, to be sure I understood what you were suggesting. I thought perhaps you switched the words "original" and "copy" by mistake.Thanks all for your advice! |
tegwilym
Member Posts: 2331
From: Sturgeon Bay, WI
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 05-08-2006 12:06 PM
If you have a chance to complete that one, I would if it was mine. But it looks great the way it is also. I guess I'm not much help! |
Moonpaws
Member Posts: 685
From: Lee's summit, MO
Registered: Jan 2005
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posted 05-08-2006 08:48 PM
Manjovec, I took no offense in your response. Things get misinterpreted via cyberspace translation. |
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