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tommears
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posted 06-04-2004 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tommears   Click Here to Email tommears     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What sorts of flown tchotchkes are likely to come with real signatures vs. autopen sigs. I have a STS-1 patch and COA that I got as a science fair prize in my senior year in highschool (1981). It just came in the mail one day from NASA PR. The COA says the patch was flown and the COA has Young & Crippen sigs. How can you tell whether this was something that was truly limited or whether it was one-of-thousands.

I grew up in Melbourne Beach, FL and my Dad worked at KSC. He has boxes of these kinds of things so I really never thought much about it. I just assumed these were gimme's of little value. How can you tell the really unique things from the more mass-produced items.

Tom

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posted 06-04-2004 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The appearance of an autopen signature does not always equate to a memento being mass-produced. Sometimes the autopen was simply used because the astronauts were not available to sign when their autograph was needed (or their time was deemed more important spent elsewhere).

There were even items that were carried to the Moon that were presented with machine-generated signatures.

In regards to flown patch presentations such as yours, it was common for these to be "signed" by autopen. While authentic autographs would certainly enhance the value of the item on the market today, a flown patch is still a rarity, as is anything carried into space on any of the missions -- let alone the first flight of the Space Shuttle.

As you can see by looking at any of the Official Flight Kit manifests published on collectSPACE, only a few hundred embroidered missions patches are typically carried on each shuttle flight. Though that may initially appear to be many, when you consider how many people played some part in the flight and who would probably merit receiving a flown memento, the patches become a treasured honor when received. As such, relatively few have reached the secondary market and those that do, are sought by collectors (particularly when they are from key historical missions such as STS-1).

So to answer your question, if your patch or your father's other items can be shown to be flown, they are of value -- regardless if the autographs accompanying them are authentic or machine generated.

(That's not to say that unflown memorabilia is not equally sought. If you would like help determining what it is you have, you are welcome to e-mail contact@collectspace.com.

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posted 06-04-2004 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tommears   Click Here to Email tommears     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's been very helpfull. As to what it's worth...I'll know in 8 1/2 days as I put it up for auction on eBay Wednesday. So far at least one person thinks it's worth about $200. I had no idea this stuff was that coveted.

I guess I grew up spoiled--when I say my dad has boxes full of this stuff I'm not kidding. I figured $50 or $75 at most. After the bidding went to $150 in less than a day I started looking harder. People are selling all sorts of little knick-knacks, documents, and such for big money. I saw folks paying $20+ for viewing area launch passes--we used to toss them in the trash when we got home and people are paying $20 each.

I talked with my dad about it and now he is going through all those boxes pulling out things and wondering what they are worth... If people will pay $20 for a single causeway pass what would somethin truly limited like his Apollo 11-17 VIP passes be worth?

I guess familiarity breeding comtempt is more true than I ever imagined.

Tom

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posted 06-04-2004 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tom,

You can check the badge page at Lunar Legacies for a good idea of what various passes are worth.
http://www.lunarlegacies.com/badges.htm

Cheers,
Matt

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