posted 10-25-2003 02:03 AM               

It's a shame that even by writing to the French police they don't react!

posted 06-17-2004 09:41 AM               

At first, I don't know this guy to have posted a message this morning. I am not this seller, so stop with Paranoïa

I am not the Devil

Second, have you not much to do to keep an eye about french ebayers who have not touch you?

Thirs, and most important, a copy of the email sending to Robert Pearlman this morning ask him a respond on myself

Hope emough and many people could be say they haven't problems with me by the past

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On Jun 17, 2004, at 8:24 AM, Stéphane SEBILE wrote:

Mr Pearlman

I am very tired to see my name and my private identity and adress (my personal adress have been diffuse by your site) use in your messages section of your site.

Today again, one of your member talk about me with diffamation.

Just for your information, I am not reconize guilty of the accusations againt me given by Florian Noller and others. At this day, I am not guilty. As in your country, someone is innocent until he his reconize guilty by Justice.

I think Mr Noller (and others) have not given you all informations. They have forgotten I have buy, in the past, some items cash with them, and for much mony, and never problems. One Day, mr Noller suppose a credit card fraud, not reconize by justice at this day, for 100 dollars for him and in for total $500 with him and others. A great International criminal I am for this little amount. I am not guilty and Justice sentence will confirm this in September.

On the other hand, Mr Noller have fogottent to say you, I have deposit complanit againt him for diffamation.

And I will deposit complaint against all people talk to me on your forum, and about others Web space chat (like astronautsgroups, etc...)

A friend of me have sell for me on Ebay. It's not forbidden. And the remarks talks about me today are diffamation, because I am not the seller.

I ask you to remove all remarks about me and forbid all remarks about me in the future.

I am very tired to meet jalous and suspicious collectors.

As by chance, my problems beginning when I have began to sell autographs. A nice collection, but apparently, the ''sellers'' have not appreciate. Today too, they are always suspicious when another seller propose nice space items, a,d they decourage always the potentials bidders by their insinuation. And after, they buy the same item with very low prices and the sell again later with high value. They have several nickname on Ebay. It's not strange to see 2 or 3 space sellers in the same town in Germany by example.

I have write to NASA Headquarters, and some friends of mine (I know very well some astronauts) to inform them of these problems and false accusations.

In the future, when officially Justice will say I am not guilty, I will inform all potentials buyers about the unscrupulous Ebay sellers.

I am tired to see some people who I have don't meet or talk before, keep an eye about me. It's scandalous.

I suppose your site is better than these people, but apparently I have wrong.

So, please, say to yours members STOP WITH ME. And publishing this message

And if I want sell my collection, nobody can forbidden me. It's my choice, not their decision.

Sorry for my English

Stéphane SEBILE

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posted 06-17-2004 09:53 AM               

As of today you didn't make up for the damage you caused with me, Boggsspace, Donnis Willis and many others honest space collectors worldwide.

If you feel not guilty, pay for the damage you caused and don't always talk about it.

posted 06-17-2004 10:11 AM               

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Perhaps you do not remember, but I am one of the dealers for which you used fraudulent credit card information to make a purchase, leaving my company without the money for the product we provided you.

Further, you have been known to do this to more then just Spaceflori (Mr. Noller) but to others as well.

If you are innocent as you say you are, I would recommend that you make reparations for the full amount that you owe various dealers.

As for the posts to collectSPACE, you are welcome to register and post in your defense. When people post to collectSPACE they do so under an agreement that collectSPACE, its partners and principles, are not liable for the comments made.

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posted 06-17-2004 10:40 AM               

Well, his trial will be in September and we are already working with the French police to clear this issue - FINALLY.

posted 06-17-2004 11:14 AM               

Also, when purchasing under the identity of "vincemovie1980", a certain Charlotte Deschamps is registered and pays under the following identity:

Vincent Zacharias
1 Res Carré Vert, Appt 24 / SEBILE
PUTEAUX, Île-de-France
92800

In a message to another forum member, Vincent Zacharias pretends to be the brother of Stéphane Sébile. Previously, another ebay ID used the name of Charlotte Zacharias, a rhumatologist in a Paris suburb. At the time, the first and only feedback of Ms Zacharias was ... from a certain Charlotte Deschamps, posted within the hour of the sale.

I have yet to see Mr Sébile's hamster appear as a bidder, though. To my knowledge, the hamster is innocent.

I leave all conclusions to readers.

Jürgen

posted 06-17-2004 12:10 PM               

When I buy cash or Paypal, you don't refuse my payment.

Mr Esders has accept this month Payment for 2 items buy by my wife (for his personal collection). He knows who she was, accept money, send items, where is the problems?

Just stop to divulgue private names, adress, etc...

You don't like others peoples who sales space items. You believe you are the best, single, and only authorized space sellers in the market. Some people when they sell space autographs, it's often to buy another missing in their collection, but when professionals sellers sell it, it's just for money. And when they lost money, they are able to do anything. The prejudice for Mr Noller is just 100 euros (about $120), and for all others people about Noller comprise $500-600. Why I will pay if I am innocent. It's too simply.

In more 3 years, I have buy for more 15 000 euros without problems.

Problems arrives just when I want to sell space items.

When I have buy, by the past to Mr Noller, he have accept always my payment, and fpr more $100.

I have receitpt 2 books in my house, not order by me (Boogspace). I have remitt these books to Police with Package!!!!. If I was guilty, I have not keep the package. I have more 1 500 space books, all legally obtenaid. Police haven't found anything to charge me. In september, it's just to obtained my innocence that I go to Justice.

Someone have break my reputation and honor, someone must pay for this.

Just to inform Ebayers members to be carefull with the supposedly honest sellers on Ebay,, they have often (always?) another bidder nickname to bid on their own auction to climb the sell price. Sometimes, they want to their friends to bid for the same reason (sell auction with $100 is better than $35 by exemple).

Yes, I have use some others nickname (generally with families names and adresses with their cooperation) to bid, because some unscrupulous sellers keep cash money sending and after they said they haven't receipt money, post negative feedback and reclaim refunds fees to Ebay, also Ebay close the bidder account. Or htey know you are interesting and o climb bid with the system above. It's always Jackpot for Ebay sellers. No protection for buyers, just for sellers. And the Sellers have perfectly understand this systeme. After they can send another time the same item.

I have no Hamster, no pets or cat.

All informations concerning my family are private, so don't divulgate here Name or Job.

If the sellers had not forgetten they was collectors before, it will be never problems.

It's too easy to accuse one person...

Stéphane SEBILE

posted 06-17-2004 12:56 PM               

The two recent purchases on ebay, while obtained by a certain Charlotte Deschamps, were paid by a certain Vincent Zacharias, at your home address. Mr. Deschamps did not pay her own purchase. I have blocked this account from further bidding as I am uncertain about the identity of the bidder and/or whether third parties' names are being abused.

My ebay feedback has one negative feedback, not three. It comes from a bidder who did not pay his item. No, not from France, but from Boca Raton (mouth of the rat) in Florida.

It is nice that you do not deny that a trial takes place against you. Until a sentence is pronounced, a defendant is to be considered innocent. You will remember that three companies have introduced a complaint with the French police for credit card fraud. You will also remember that the owner of Collectspace claims in a message a few inches further up this page that he experienced the same.

However, trials are not organized with the initial presumption that the accused is innocent, but because the State Attorney thinks he has a case and because the Court considers the charges and evidence serious enough to hold a hearing. Would the State Attorney consider you innocent, he would not have tabled an accusation. Had the Court considered the accusation not serious, it would not have admitted the trial. It is your right to defend to your case and to assisted by a lawyer of your choice. The Court will take a decision.

If you do not wish any names of your surroundings be discussed in this context, may I suggest you do not use their names for your unlawful activities. If you use an office address for your activities, those may of course be discussed in public as well.

I take note of your claim that you are no hamster and do not own any such animal. I shall remember this should the next ebay ID you use involve such a pet (hamsterinorbit1977?).

posted 06-17-2004 12:59 PM               

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Originally posted by stephane SEBILE:
Problems arrives just when I want to sell space items.

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posted 06-17-2004 01:16 PM               

Always money...

My audience in Court Justice is precisely to prove my innocence. The Judge will decide after seen all the pieces of this case. The best way to prove my innocence according to my lawyer

And after I will decide if I continue complaint or not for diffamation.

Yes, sometimes in the past, I have failed to pay, only for one good reason : shipping charges sometimes with abusives. As the Ebay law permit me, I can refuse the contract after the End of auction, but the Sellers don't like this.

posted 06-17-2004 01:20 PM               

If you are not guilty - tell us all who it is then who made the purchases with your credit card, with your address and your email account other than you?

posted 06-17-2004 01:35 PM               

Justice will decide. Maybe the future decision of my innocence will be an embarrassment for some people ?

I repeat my question?

Who is the crook? Me? Because you have decide it will be me or the sellers buy space items (discourage buying by collectors) with low prices and selling high value?

posted 06-17-2004 01:42 PM               

sebile.stephane@wanadoo.fr

posted 06-17-2004 01:44 PM               

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Originally posted by stephane SEBILE:
Yes, sometimes in the past, I have failed to pay, only for one good reason : shipping charges sometimes with abusives. As the Ebay law permit me, I can refuse the contract after the End of auction, but the Sellers don't like this.

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posted 06-17-2004 01:51 PM               

Please contact me offlist - I'm sick of his person and his nonsense comments.

posted 06-17-2004 02:12 PM               

Have you think one second of my life since you have propage your falses allegations? No... I am sure... Money... Money... (change your bank if she take you $60 fees for 100 euros)

I am very tired of all these collectors and sellers who proclaims Honor, etc...

Why are you sick of me? Maybe because I have say the truth?

Contact me off, I think it will be more reasonable for you and for us.

It's not my intention to laughing of the face of you and others. I have just write to this forum because I want say STOP to publishing my name or my adress for all Ebay problems you see on Ebay.

But apparently, it's very difficult to have a discussion

posted 10-23-2004 10:35 AM               

Thanks to Juergen Esders helping us with this case and the press release!

It's with great pleasure I can announce:

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Stéphane Sébile sentenced to six months imprisonment on probation

French fraudster Stéphane Sébile has been sentenced to six months imprisonment on probation by a French penal court. 32 year old Sébile was found guilty of having "defrauded several dealers and individuals" during the period of April, May and June 2003 and an undefined period before that, the 12th Chamber of the Criminal Court at Paris concluded. The married father of one had used the identity and the credit card of a space stamp collector from the Paris suburb of Villejuif, to defraud the total amount of 2434,47 Euro, judges concluded at the outcome of the hearing on 9 September 2004. Sébile resides at the city of Puteaux, another suburb of the French capital.

The Court identified a dozen victims of Sébile’s fraudulent activities, amongst which are renowned companies like Euro Disney, the French mail order company La Rédoute and Internet online supermarket Houra.Fr. In the world of space collectibles, German space memorabilia dealer Florian Noller from Spaceflori, Donald Boggs from Boggs Space Books and Donnis Willis’ Lunar Legacies from Florida are amongst the victims. La Rédoute, Euro Disney, Houra.fr and Laurent LefPbvre, the collector of whom the credit card was abused, were granted full reimbursement of the damages. Noller, Boggs and Willis had introduced a denunciation with the police, but did not join the action. Sébile did not show up for the hearing to defend himself.

As Sébile has no previous criminal record, the sentence was pronounced on probation. According to Art. 132-29 and 132-34 of the French Penal Code, Sébile will have to serve his time in jail if he is sentenced for any other crime during a five year period.

In unrelated fraudulent operations on ebay, Sébile had used countless false identities to bid on lots he never paid. Amongst the names used, were aforementioned Laurent LefPbvre, Charlotte Deschamps, Claire Zacharias, Anthony Barouin, A. Haplik, Steve Eggart, Paul Girot. Despite having defrauded Euro Disney, Sébile never used names like "Mickey Mouse" or any other personnalities from the Disney universe.

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posted 10-23-2004 10:38 AM               

Should anyone be screwed again by him or any of his false identities on ebay, please contact me or Juergen Esders. We will be watching this case until full reimbursement has been done by Mr. Sebile.

And remember one more issue like this and he goes to jail! (now that he's on probation)

posted 10-23-2004 04:04 PM               

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Originally posted by randy:
As far as I'm concerned, he got off easy!

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posted 10-24-2004 02:36 AM               

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Originally posted by Spacepsycho:
Gee, six whole months of probation, who says crime doesn't pay.

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posted 10-24-2004 03:37 AM               

This P.O.S. should be spending a long-time behind bars making licence-plates and hope those of you who were burned by him DO get your money back!

posted 10-24-2004 10:41 AM               

You HAVE NOT THE RIGHT TO PUBLISH IN PUBLIC FORUM THIS SENTENCE, NAME, ADRESS, ETC...

I assume my responsability in this case. You have not the right to juge me.

For information, I had never conter with Machbusterman and his allegations are falses

"That low-life attempted to scam me by offering me a postal cover flown on the final flight of the Air France Concorde. He suggested a trade for one of my Chuck Yeager signed photographs. I suggested to him that I would need proof of it being flown on the final flight as I hadn't heard of such a thing being done officially. In reply he said that a copy of the provenance would accompany the cover. I held off sending one of my Yeager photographs until I received the cover... of which I am still waiting"

False declarations in public forum are diffamation punished by Justice.

And I adress a last word of space collectors: I have do a mistake, Ok, I pay for her, but BE CAREFUL of space dealers who are just interesting by your money. If dealer propose you a low price with space item, 2 solutions : forgery or the dealer have buy himself this item with very very low price. You can be sure even he sell with low price, he make many many money against you.

Another dealers systems : buy in space memorabilia auction, a space item (example bag with microscopic lunar sample foil) for $2000 or $3000), cut this bag in little sheet (about 100 or 150), make a "nice" presentation and after SELL EACH part $500 to $2000. Benefit money is incredible: more 1000%!!!!!

Etc...

posted 10-24-2004 10:50 AM               

You are a goddamn liar!! Maybe you don't remember me as Machbusterman but maybe you recall writing me after seeing my post on Al's astronauts group. I'm the guy who created a website about Yeager and you are so far up your own fundamental oriface that you can't even remember who you've been in touch with. I've got your number so why don't you just stay off this list as no-one here wants anything to do with you unless of course you're about to re-emburse those that you've scammed.

Away and "bile yer heid" as we say in Scotland!!!

posted 10-24-2004 10:58 AM               

I'm looking foreward to my reimbursement or my next visit to Paris, Mr. Sebile.

I'm surprised however that Mr. "I'm cheating Mickey Mouse" still has the guts to post at all he should be busy sending out money to those he screwed.

posted 10-24-2004 11:52 AM               

a) the court hearing was public and so are the contents discussed in it. Sébile probably does not know - he did not bother to attend and to defend himself. THIS was the place to raise his voice and say what he had to say (if anything at all).

b) A further case has been brought to our attention where a payment was received by Sébile, but no delivery took place. We forwarded the contact details of the Paris police branch in charge of the investigation to that CS member.

c) Florian, you have not joined the action as "partie civile", consequently the Court had no possibility to grant you the right to be reimbursed by the defendant... perhaps you should have .... and send the huissier de justice/Gerichtsvollzieher after him...

d) Sébile, if I had a child like you have, I would be ashamed to put the wellbeing of your child in danger with this sort of notorious stupidities and to have him see his father disappear behind bars. If this child grows up and will understand things, it will be ashamed to see what sort of a father it has. And if it understands how many lies it is presented with, it will probably conclude this is just another lie when Sébile claims "I am your father".

posted 10-24-2004 12:17 PM               

I appreciate your sentiments and wisdom. I am not one to usually get riled up but I did take considerable offence to being called a liar.... particularly by one who it seems has made an art of doing so himself.

I have not lost out financially unlike Robert, Florian, Jurgen, Donnis et al but I am most grateful to you Robert for banning him from this group.

posted 10-24-2004 12:35 PM               

We have another case of fraud as Juergen outlined, so we'll give him a hard time!

posted 10-24-2004 12:35 PM               

This lowlife piece of garbage got a slap on the wrist for committing internet fraud, credit card theft, identity theft against many different people and all he get's is 6 MONTHS on Probation? While I don't appreciate your feeble attempt at insulting me by insinuating that I work for less than minimum wage, it's the principle of the crime.

This scumbag is a criminal of the worst kind, he's a snake who doesn't have the guts to look his victims in the face when he's stealing from them and he does his crimes hidden by a computer. So while his monetary gain was minuscule, it goes to prove the fact that he's just a stupid criminal who needs to be put in prison for 6 months to reflect on his abhorrent criminal behavior.

I don't care if he ripped you off for $100, what he did by stealing credit card info, committing identity theft and internet fraud is a serious crime that demands jail time. What's to stop him, or anyone else from doing this again, unless the penalty is severe enough to stop it now and to provide an example to others?. Now this maggot has learned where he went wrong and the next time he committs this same crime, he won't get caught.

Oh Dear Sebile, you're a scumbag, please shut your mouth, you're a thief and by your actions you've forfeited any semblance of humane treatment for being a gutless lowlife piece of crap. You should consider yourself very lucky that you didn't pull this scam on me because I wouldn't have bothered with the courts to settle accounts with you.

As far as dealers buying large artifacts, then cutting them up for smaller displays, it's their business, not your's. While you might not like what they do, it's not for you to rip them off because their making 1000% profit. I think you've been living in France too long because this is called CAPITALISM, it's what makes the world go around and if your socialist values can't handle people making money without stealing it, like you do, too freaking bad. Now go slither back under the rock you came from and do me a favor, go slap your mother for raising such an idiot.

Sebile, you're the poster boy for why retroactive abortion is a good thing.

Sorry Robert, I had to get my $1.50 in.

Ray

posted 10-24-2004 12:56 PM               

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Originally posted by spaceflori:
Hi Derek, he called anyone here a liar already, so welcome to the club.

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posted 10-24-2004 04:56 PM               

At a pure $3000 "gain" in exchange for six months jail on probation, I don't think crime pays. If you think this is a good deal, do your maths again. This is a bad deal for me. As bad as it gets. Had he made millions, ensured himself a villa on the Bermuda's and be sentenced in a far away country that cannot get him - that would be "crime pays". In fact, he has defrauded about $3000, but it is no gain at all:

- he has to pay it back, and the debtors won't wait;
- he has a criminal record now;
- he has lost his job as soon as the coppers started their investigation;
- he is socially dead person in his pastime activity.

He has just two more things to lose: his wife and child, and the place where he lives.

Crime pays?

And Sébile is not a smart guy if he takes such a high risk for such a small amount. That's called petty crime. Petty in every sense. The police inspector who investigated the case told me he didn't even know what the sentence was - he had so many similar cases of petty crime at hand he forgot about it as soon as he had delivered the file to the Court. Still he did a good job to nail Sébile. That's what I call professionalism. No need to get excited about it.

I can also live with a probation for a first time offender. Is done so in most countries with a fair legal system. Don't give in to your revenge feelings - that just gives you the feeling you are stronger than you are - it's emotional, not professional. From what he realistically could get at this stage, he got 100%.

In jail, pro's would give Sébile proper training - does anyone need a properly trained criminal instead of an intellectually challenged small time crook?

But maybe you just don't have enough patience - I am quite certain that Mr Sébile will be back and serving his time - and more. He keeps going down the same alley he has just been sentenced for - and he doesn't even understand why this does not work for him. He could work on Barbie dolls or adult entertainment for his crookeries - instead of changing the area of activity, he comes back to the same field he has just been killed, socially. This guy has no place to go but down the gutter.