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Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-03-2003 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3611062497

The article:
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=2871533

Rodina
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posted 06-03-2003 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rodina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

In any event, it's pretty darn cool.

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posted 06-03-2003 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ed beck   Click Here to Email Ed beck     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess the question that I would have to ask is, how reliable is sovietski.com? Have they ever intentionally sold a fake? Is it possible that they have been fooled themselves? I just checked their feedback, and it is pretty good.

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cklofas
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posted 06-03-2003 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cklofas   Click Here to Email cklofas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have bought some non-space items from them in the past and they have always been reliable and ready to fix a problem. I dont believe they would sell something they knew to be a fake. More likely the person they got it from over-sold his product...

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posted 06-04-2003 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tylko   Click Here to Email tylko     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Numerous full scale replicas of Sputnik were fabricated by the Soviets and used extensively in museums throughout the world. Many of these are on display in Russia including the space museum near Korolev's house in Moscow, the Gagarin training center museum at Star City and the museum at Baikonur, all of which I have personally seen. The Soviets took advantage of the enormous propoganda success of Sputnik and produced numerous high fidelity models for display throughout the Soviet Union and around the world. One of these is hanging in the Milestones of Flight hall at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington DC.

MrSpace86
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posted 06-04-2003 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is also a Sputnik at the Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center that looks like the real thing too. I doubt that it's one of the real ones, it's probably a copy. They should just open them up and check the inside of the ones for sale to see what they have inside to confirm if they are real or fake.

-Rodrigo

Leon Ford
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posted 06-04-2003 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leon Ford   Click Here to Email Leon Ford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess I don't understand the whole "Real or Replica" question. What would make it "Real"?

Unless it were one of the backup Sputniks, with flight worthy instruments and ready to fly, isn't everything else just a model of the original spacecraft? Why is that worth so much money? It seems you could build one in your garage for a lot less than $25,000 and have a model just like the one being sold on Ebay.

I'm just asking the question: What makes it "Real"?

Leon

MrSpace86
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posted 06-04-2003 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's why they should be opened up to see the instruments inside!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-04-2003 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leon Ford:
I'm just asking the question: What makes it "Real"?

I think that's the question that this sale has inspired, and is the point of the Reuters article. It isn't quite clear how many "real" Sputnik were produced at the time of the one that flew, though the Smithsonian's research shows that it was four.

The Smithsonian's appears to be a replica, as are the ones on display at most the Russian museums cited to have one. The Seattle Museum of Flight paid over $100,000 for one of what they believe to be the four back-ups. I think that's the crux of the issue -- is the Sovietski sale for one of the four, and if so (or if not) where are the other three (if only three are unaccounted for...)

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posted 06-04-2003 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scout706   Click Here to Email scout706     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to the Alamagordo space museum,their Sputnik is one of 3 full scale models in the world. So who reall knows?
http://www.spacefame.org/gal3b.html

Tom

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posted 06-04-2003 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen a replica hanging in the lobby of the UN too...

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posted 06-04-2003 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If your not the lucky bidder, fear not...


http://www.staufferclassics.com/sputnik.html

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-05-2003 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The item you requested ( 3611062497 ) is invalid, still pending, or no longer in our database. Please check the number and try again. If this message persists, the item has either not started and is not yet available for viewing, or has expired and is no longer available.

Seems the Sputnik was pulled before auction's close...

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