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rgarner
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posted 11-22-2016 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Apollo 11 Type 2 Insurance Cover with 15th Anniversary Stamp.

$7995 inc. DHL shipping.

capoetc
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posted 11-22-2016 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For what it's worth, to the best of my knowledge, the insurance covers were carried by Tom Stafford in his T-38 from the Cape back to Houston, where they were machine cancelled on July 20th, 1969, and distributed to the Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins families.

I could be mistaken, but I am not aware of any insurance covers for Apollo 11 being cancelled in Florida.

There was a shoe box full of covers that were stolen from the crew quarters before the launch, so I suppose it is possible that some of them could have been franked and cancelled at the launch site. They would not then be insurance covers, but they would still be interesting.

The cover listed here looks as though it may have been signed around the time the insurance covers were signed, but I don't think it meets the criteria that have been established for insurance covers. There are certainly others here who are more knowledgeable than I who could perhaps shed light on the subject.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 11-22-2016 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually, there were two types of crew insurance covers that were machine cancelled at KSC on the day of Apollo 11's launch to the moon. This is one of them (Dow Unicover) while the other type was an Apollo 11 crew patch or emblem printed cachet cover from NASA Exchange.

Only the MSCSC-cachet variety were posted from Houston during the first manned lunar landing/moonwalk(s) on July 20, 1969.

The insurance cover depicted here, with an added C76 postage stamp was cancelled for Apollo 11's 5th anniversary at KSC/Orlando in 1974, was actually handled and postmarked by myself.

The crew cover, though, wasn't one of mine, but was mailed to me for a philatelic cancel request from a collector friend.

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posted 11-22-2016 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chuckster01   Click Here to Email Chuckster01     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a collection of pre-flight signed Heritage Craft covers. They where signed in crew quarters just before the flight but from the personal collection of designers Dave Ouellette and Don Wiles.

This is a full set of pre-launch signed Dow covers from Apollo 8 to 17 with the Apollo 7 added at a later date to complete the collection.

My Apollo 11 cover is also postmarked KSC on July 16, 1969 and also Titusville on July 20th.

While not from the personal collection of the astronauts as a true insurance covers these are as close as it comes being signed in crew quarters just before each flight.

rgarner
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posted 11-23-2016 03:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just going to take a moment to point out that I absolutely love the level of debate, discussion and knowledge which goes on here. I never knew any of the above, so thank you for shedding more light on the cover! Fascinating stuff.

capoetc
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posted 11-23-2016 10:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for capoetc   Click Here to Email capoetc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info, Ken ... I did not know there were insurance covers also cancelled in FL.

rgarner
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posted 11-23-2016 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rgarner   Click Here to Email rgarner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now that this issue is all cleared up, who wants it?

Ken Havekotte
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posted 11-23-2016 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chuckster01:
...these are as close as it comes being signed in crew quarters just before each flight.
Keep in mind, Chuck, that I have always considered the pre-launch Apollo crew signed Heritage Crafts covers (especially those from Apollos 8-10) as perhaps a secondary-of-sorts "insurance type" covers.

The big difference, though, between the Heritage and MSCSC/Bishop cachet covers are their production numbers used by the crewmen. Only a few pre-launch signed crew covers by Heritage are known, but of course, with much larger quantities by MSCSC and the Bishop insignia covers.

Another major question would be; Were any pre-launch crew signed Heritage covers retained by the astronaut families and close friends for such "insurance policy" considerations?

And just for the record, in clarification purposes, there was only one Dow-produced "Project Apollo" cover and it was used for Apollo 11. In fact, the Dow Unicover
cachets for Apollo 11, designed by Don Wiles, were produced and owned by the commercial Fleetwood first day cover manufacturer.

Many of the Heritage cachet covers were dropped off at KSC crew quarters by Dave Ouellette, with the help of Hal Collins, within a couple or so weeks before an Apollo launch at Kennedy.

It was agreed that the crewmen would keep a certain amount of them, for their own uses, and autograph a few of the covers (usually about ten or so) to be divided up between the Heritage covers' owner Ouellette and graphic designer Wiles.

In addition, though, some of the Heritage covers, unstamped of course, found their way into astronaut office personnel collections, besides the Apollo astronauts themselves.

On a personal note, though, I think the Heritage designed cachets are some of the best of all the Apollo cachet covers I have seen and collected for almost half-a-
century now. The Heritage team always used the best quality rag content envelopes for their top notch one to two color print productions. Inside each cover was also a well-designed (by Wiles again) one-sided mission highlight printed insert card.

Next in line, though, perhaps should be mentioned would be the official NASA crew patch or emblem color printed cachet covers. We'll keep that story for another topic.

cosmos-walter
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posted 11-24-2016 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Howard C. Weinberger points out all three types of Apollo 11 insurance covers were flown.

As far as I remember, Buzz Aldrin and Mike Collins changed their signature style after Apollo 11. Their signatures on this cover look like post-Apollo 11.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 11-24-2016 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, indeed Walter, all three as indicated were flown. I do believe, though, that only the flown, and unflown insurance covers, with the MSCSC cachets were the first batches to be signed by the crewmen as they were received before any other cachet types. Aldrin signed with no underscore lines and Collins with his full name at the time.

When the Dow and insignia covers were obtained at crew quarters, also before Apollo 11's launch to the moon, it was my understanding that Aldrin and Collins, with signing so many covers, changed their style a bit with "MCollins" and Aldrin with the underlines, but why the underscore, I do not know since Aldrin would be adding more to his older style version instead of less.

When it was time to select the covers to be flown, of course, all three cachet cover types were chosen with batches of the original MSCSC, Dow, and crew patch insignia.

There is also the possibility that some, if not all, of the flown MSCSC covers were signed after the flight while in quarantine and those signatures were signed more fully like their original version.

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