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Topic: FS: Inherited space memorabilia collection
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RogerThatControl
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Registered: Jan 2016
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posted 01-22-2016 10:17 PM
  
I recently inherited this collection. Sadly, I am not as passionate about space collectibles as my Papi was.I am looking for interested enthusiasts that will continue to share his passion for space and that his legacy might continue for all our future generations. Most of its listed here. It is a pleasure to be a n00b to this wonderful community. — Brad |
tnperri
Member Posts: 452
From: Malvern, Ohio
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted 01-22-2016 10:33 PM
No email address? How does one contact you? |
stsmithva
Member Posts: 1933
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 01-22-2016 10:53 PM
Brad, I am interested in a couple of items - please e-mail me by clicking on the envelope icon. — Steve |
Wehaveliftoff
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Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 01-22-2016 10:57 PM
On the moonwalkers piece, I've never seen a Neil Armstrong signature like that and it's too small to read the inscription. Ditto about the email contact. |
chet
Member Posts: 1506
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-22-2016 11:17 PM
No way to tell for sure because of the small scan but I'm guessing the signature near Armstrong's likeness on the Moonwalkers print is that of Neil's son, Rick.Of more concern to me are the crew signatures in the offered copy of "First On The Moon." Though the Aldrin signature looks to be okay, the Collins is "iffy," and the Armstrong signature is altogether off. Obviously a little background about this copy, if provided, could be of some help. |
RogerThatControl
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posted 01-22-2016 11:30 PM
Sorry about that. New to forums. Email is bneilson at demmer dot comShould have given more info, obviously. Yes, the Moonwalkers print is signed by Neil's son Rick, with a letter from him. Just got word from Steve Zarelli that the signed book is legit on the Collins and Aldrin, but the Neil is not. I'm sorry if it seemed as though I was misrepresenting anything here. As I said, I am completely new to this, and my Papi's death was only last Thanksgiving and I am still trying to figure things out and settle the estate. Thank you all for any assistance or input you can give me. |
chet
Member Posts: 1506
From: Beverly Hills, Calif.
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 01-22-2016 11:41 PM
I didn't think anything was being misrepresented here, Brad; your putting the images up so they can be reviewed is transparency itself, and your reporting back with Steve Z's take is appreciated. |
RogerThatControl
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posted 01-23-2016 08:35 AM
I have received an overwhelming number of requests about the Apollo 11 Flown Checklist page and requests for better scans. Carried on Apollo 11's "Eagle" to the Moon. Apollo 11 lunar module flown checklist page signed by and originally from the collection of mission lunar module pilot Buzz Aldrin. A single leaf printed on cardstock from the Apollo 11 LM G&N Dictionary, 5.5" x 8" plus tab, with the title "AGS State Vector Update". Aldrin has certified and signed on the front: "Carried in Eagle to the Lunar Surface on Apollo XI Buzz Aldrin" and has also signed on the verso. This item was present when men first landed on the moon, thus very desirable. Extremely fine condition. (original auction notes) |
RogerThatControl
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posted 01-23-2016 11:16 AM
WOW! I am very pleased to see so many responses and eMails regarding his collection. I am quite pleased that the items will wind up in the hands of enthusiasts that were as passionate as he was, and that these important historical items will be shared with generation to come, just as they were shared with me.I have been getting a ton of requests on various items asking "what is your price?" Now, I am not a space collector, and perhaps I should not have put "inherited" in this topic's title, as this has opened the door of possibility that this might be taken advantage of. With regards to the $200 offers for the Lucite, $400 for the two Bean Giclees, $300 for the flight plan and $800 for the flown checklist, I have not even responded. I was born at night, just not last night. But there is a great deal of conflicting information, lack of information and widely varied prices when I try and research these things on the internet. I must be able to properly ascertain what is a fair market value for these items, and weigh that against making the prices affordable for the community so that most importantly his legacy can live on through other collectors like all of you. Thank you for your patience. |
Joel Katzowitz
Member Posts: 808
From: Marietta GA USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 01-23-2016 04:24 PM
There are a number of knowledgable, honest, fair, space related appraisers who frequent this site (I'm not one of them). Perhaps they can help you assign values. There could be fee involved. |
Tallpaul
Member Posts: 153
From: Rocky Point, NY, USA
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 01-23-2016 08:44 PM
There is always the route of auction consignment. Almost every major auction house is currently seeking consignments for spring auctions being held in April and May. Good luck, there are some nice items there. The person who offered $800 for an Apollo 11 flown to the lunar surface checklist page is exactly the type of person who will be weeded out by an auction. |
mode1charlie
Member Posts: 1169
From: Honolulu, HI
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted 01-24-2016 03:17 AM
I concur with the auction suggestion. You will get much better prices if you consign with one of the auction houses that specializes in space stuff. |
GACspaceguy
Member Posts: 2475
From: Guyton, GA
Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 01-24-2016 05:54 AM
I just received a call from RR Auction Friday asking to verify an artifact. They are still accepting consignments for their April space auction. I think that would be the next specific auction for space artifacts from the various auction houses. |
moonnut
Member Posts: 248
From: Andover, MN
Registered: Apr 2013
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posted 01-24-2016 06:32 AM
If you want to get an idea of what an auction house may fetch you for your item, just go to the RR website that is stated in the post above and click on past auctions, then type in the search Apollo 11 and browse through the items to find what's close to yours. I found one that would be similar that ended at $17,500. You will get finished past auction prices and each auction can be a little different. Just depends how bad someone wants it! Good way to gauge what you may possibly get. RR is an excellent auction house that is probably the most reputable for space items due to the fine work of Bob Eaton and Steve Zarelli and all involved there. |
Tallpaul
Member Posts: 153
From: Rocky Point, NY, USA
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted 01-24-2016 07:39 AM
RR Auction is fantastic and highly recommended. Heritage is the other big player. They also have a searchable data-base. There are some other auction houses as well: Bonhams, Regency Superior, and Goldberg. Each have a niche in the marketplace, but RR and Heritage seem to consistently offer the best material. Off to clear the driveway. Thanks to the winds there is no snow in some places and 4' drifts in others. |
JasonIUP
Member Posts: 282
From: PA
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 01-24-2016 08:01 AM
And with an auction, you'll give them a third or 40% of the proceeds, and most lots will be auctioned with no reserve. On top of that, some (well, one, anyway) even charge an additional fee per lot, "just because"! And, if you consign now, you'll get a check in June or later. |
Charlie16
Member Posts: 494
From: Italy
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 01-24-2016 08:53 AM
Brad, I am interested in a couple of items - please e-mail me. Luigi |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-24-2016 09:57 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JasonIUP:
And with an auction, you'll give them a third or 40% of the proceeds, and most lots will be auctioned with no reserve. On top of that, some (well, one, anyway) even charge an additional fee per lot, "just because"!
What is the basis for this statement? RR as an example always permits consignors to specify reserves on each item; consignment fees (which are 20-22 percent) are always specified via up front contractual agreements signed prior to the auction... there is no "just because." |
stsmithva
Member Posts: 1933
From: Fairfax, VA, USA
Registered: Feb 2007
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posted 01-24-2016 10:05 AM
I believe he's referring to the additional fee (often called the "cataloguing fee") per lot. I have great things to say about working with RR, but I am irked by that per-lot fee being added to the consignment fee percentage taken off the top bid. |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 01-24-2016 01:15 PM
I would also say that when you see the RR sold price from a prior auction, it shows the price with buyer fee so if something is sold for $1000, then the seller typically realizes about $600. 22% buyers premium then 20% seller fee.
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JasonIUP
Member Posts: 282
From: PA
Registered: Apr 2004
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posted 01-24-2016 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by SpaceAholic:
What is the basis for this statement?
As for fees: my basis is fact, as others have confirmed. As for reserves: I didn't say that no auction will give a consignor a reserve on any lot. The less expensive the lot, the more unlikely they are to set a reserve. Granted, perhaps some have had wildly different experiences than I've heard of and experienced with various auctions. Their concern is making money for themselves, not the consignor. |
LateApex
Member Posts: 44
From: Chicago
Registered: Oct 2012
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posted 01-24-2016 04:33 PM
Brad, your Papi assembled a wonderful collection. I'd be interested in working with you on a couple flown items. Please email me directly, via the "envelope" icon here. Thanks and best, Paul |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-24-2016 05:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by fredtrav:
I would also say that when you see the RR sold price from a prior auction, it shows the price with buyer fee so if something is sold for $1000, then the seller typically realizes about $600. 22% buyers premium then 20% seller fee.
Perhaps I am mis-reading this, but the 22% buyer's fee is paid by the buyer... it does not come from the consignor. The consignor pays a 20% seller fee and the per item catalog fee. I don't know what it is, but I think it was $15 at one point. This means a consignor would get $785 from the sale of a $1,000 item. As a consultant for RR Auction, I am obviously not totally objective, but the fact of the matter is they get very strong prices. Even after paying the 20% seller fee, many consignors net better than they would going the DIY route with none of the potential DIY headaches. (By the way, the eBay/PayPal route is not devoid of fees either. You can pay around 10% in PayPal/eBay fees after achieving a wholesale price.) |
fredtrav
Member Posts: 1673
From: Birmingham AL
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted 01-24-2016 05:46 PM
Steve, if you look at RR Auction's realized prices on past auctions, they include the buyer's premium in the price. So if you see a sold for price of $1000, that means it sold for about $820. which means the seller will end up with $640. For example the Neil Armstrong signed X-15 presentation that was sold in the January auction for $943.25 actually sold for $770 and the consignor received about $600 after the 20% seller commission and the listing fee. The buyer ended up paying the $943.25. because of the buyer premium. That is the price you see if you look at past auctions. |
SpaceAholic
Member Posts: 4437
From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-24-2016 06:10 PM
RR prices realized list includes the additional buyer's commission added to the hammer; sellers commission is not reflected in that total. (Seller commission under some circumstances is negotiable with the auction house). |
Steve Zarelli
Member Posts: 731
From: Upstate New York, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 01-24-2016 07:04 PM
Got ya, Fred. I misunderstood the scenario you were describing. You are correct when you look at the "price" from that angle.  |
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