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GregoryJChase
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posted 04-04-2013 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GregoryJChase   Click Here to Email GregoryJChase     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am looking to sell my Gemini GT-3 Cover, canceled on the receiving ship USS Intrepid. Autographed by both Gus Grissom and John Young. Not autopens. Check astroautopens.com. These signatures and not on the autopen lists. Price is $1,500.00. Email me at Gregory.J.Chase@gmail.com

Three covers have sold in the past 8 years at auction for $1500-$2750. They are:

  • Regency-Superior April 26, 2006 Lot 684 – GT-3 Gus Grissom and John Young Cover Autographs $2500
  • Aurora - Oct 15, 2005 Lot 146 GT-3 Gus Grissom and John Young Dual Autographs $2750
  • Aurora - April 14, 2007 Lot 299 GT-1 Gus Grissom and John Young Autographs $1500

chet
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posted 04-04-2013 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chet   Click Here to Email chet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, but both signatures are autopens.

GregoryJChase
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posted 04-05-2013 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GregoryJChase   Click Here to Email GregoryJChase     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did you come to that conclusion? The starting "G" in Gus is completely different than either autopen signature at astroautopens.com. The "G" in Grissom loop is different and the length of the signature is different. Are you an authority in signature authentication? Further, I have a twin cover to this one. Look at the length of the Grissom signatures. What do you think now?

Greggy_D
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posted 04-05-2013 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greggy_D   Click Here to Email Greggy_D     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Autopen machines can be bumped, which would cause the anomaly seen in the first G. Other than that, the Grissom and Young signatures on both covers appear identical.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-05-2013 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To add to what has been said, the person operating the autopen machine could affect the look of the resulting signature through a number of methods, including inadvertently bumping or shaking the device, but also the speed at which the item being signed was pulled through the machine. A slower rate resulted in a longer length signature.

328KF
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posted 04-05-2013 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 328KF   Click Here to Email 328KF     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I most certainly am not an authority on signature authentication, but the Grissom signatures are the most common autopen example around and jumped out at me immediately. The anomaly on the first cover is an obvious issue with the machine as explained previously. The length of the autopen is simply a matter of different placement on the cover... with the exception of the deformed "Gus", the two are the same.

The Young signatures are a less often seen autopen, but they are unmistakably identical to each other

Tralfaz
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posted 04-05-2013 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tralfaz   Click Here to Email Tralfaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for your bad news Gregory. It's better to get this information here then from a disgruntled buyer. This is why collectSPACE is so valuable to our collecting community, for both buyers and sellers.

jimsz
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posted 04-05-2013 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jimsz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here are the samples overlayed.

bwhite1976
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posted 04-05-2013 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bwhite1976   Click Here to Email bwhite1976     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These may be autopens, but I am sure there is still a decent amount of value here. Can anyone offer a ballpark figure of what these two autopens on this cover would go for? Just curious.

GregoryJChase
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posted 04-05-2013 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GregoryJChase   Click Here to Email GregoryJChase     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks everyone for your help. I have quite a few autographs. What a shame to find out something is not authentic when you thought for years it was.

Jim, how did you do that autograph overlay?

jimsz
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posted 04-06-2013 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jimsz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GregoryJChase:
Jim, how did you do that autograph overlay?
I open the image in a photo imaging application (photoshop, elements, etc), duplicate the image onto another layer, make the top layer 50% transparent and slide the signatures into place over bottom layer.

Tykeanaut
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posted 04-07-2013 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you still selling as an autopen? If so, how much please?

GregoryJChase
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posted 04-07-2013 06:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GregoryJChase   Click Here to Email GregoryJChase     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really don't know how much to ask for an autopen cover. Can anyone help with a value?

MarylandSpace
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posted 04-07-2013 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some nice, clean GT-3 Prime Recovery ship covers sell for $25 and up.

You could start it at .99 on eBay and see what the market for this cover would be.

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