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Mercurypgm
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posted 12-16-2012 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This message has been updated as of Dec. 20, 2012 to provide more current information. I have approximately 60 shuttle and Expedition Robbins medals for sale. All are unflown.

I have now posted to cS (see later on in the thread) what I have available. Some feedback as to prices would be appreciated. I will e-mail all of you who previously contacted me to go to cS to see what I have.

One item of special note is an "original 107" Robbins. After the disaster the unflown 107 Robbins were melted down and re-minted. However four were not melted down and are of the original style. The flight information is engraved on the reverse as opposed to part of the printing. There is also a difference on the front where a sun with its rays is present or not present. These original 107 Robbins are likely the rarest Robbins that exist. It won't be cheap. If interested in this rare item let me know. Please see scans in another post in this thread...

These were obtained from the guy who wrote the books on Robbins, so the source was 100% reliable. I also have several 107 Robbins of the normally seen type. They are priced at $600.

Hope I can help some of you fill gaps in your collection. (mercurypgm@aol.com)

davidcwagner
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posted 12-16-2012 02:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Email sent. Please confirm receipt. Thanks.

Tom
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posted 12-17-2012 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sent you an e-mail.

Mercurypgm
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posted 12-18-2012 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It has been a crazy few days. The Conrad offer I made got an amazing response. Just finished mailing pictures to all those paid.

I think I have answered all who wrote me about Robbins and I will sort what I have in a day or so. I went to my bank yesterday afternoon, only to find that a major car crash had knocked out all the power in that area, so the bank was closed. So I went back this AM and took my "shoe box" of Robbins out of my safe box. Please be patient.

I will now send e-mails to all those who inquired to check the list on cs that I just posted (12/20/12).

Besides all the e-mails and mailings, plus partying with a couple of the cosmonauts who are in town (and the Expedition 32 briefing at Space Center Houston on Tuesday) I am fried.

Mercurypgm
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posted 12-20-2012 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is list of the Shuttle/Expedition Robbins that I have for sale. I am sorry that they are not in order, but I had placed what I had in a "shoebox" that went into my safe box. As I pull them out I will put them into another box in the order they are posted here which will make it easy for me to find.

The price for these unflown shuttle flights (unless noted) are $500 each. The Expedition ones are $550 (unless noted). The 107 "restrikes" are $600, and the original 107 is $4000. As for postage, I would recommend insurance, so $10 domestic. If you don't want it insured, then $5 but I will not be responsible if the PO screws up. Like that never happens... Foreign rates will vary.

Happy hunting, and sorry for the delay in listing them, but I got swamped by the Conrad signed SL Earth pictures I offered and just caught up yesterday. I will send an e-mail to all those who contacted me about the Robbins previously to let them know that they have been posted to the cS thread...

  • 103 #107
  • 70 #109
  • 47 #129
  • 99 #99
  • 64 #101
  • 80 #107
  • 90 #106
  • 42 #134
  • 101 #67
  • 81 #99
  • 115 #23
  • 109 #109
  • 38 #71
  • 112 #82
  • 33 #98
  • 75 #146
  • 87 #111 ($600 due to Chawla)
  • 43 #74
  • 85 #101 — SOLD
  • 82 #132
  • 5 #91
  • 89 #102 ($700 A MIR mission)
  • 71 #154 ($800 1st Shuttle docking to MIR)
  • 66 #97
  • 46 #113
  • 94 #133 — SOLD
  • 80 #82
  • 103 #151 — SOLD
  • 99 #92
  • 53 #91
  • 51 #82
  • 104 #105
  • 100 #88
  • 83 #127 — SOLD
  • 65 #95
  • 49 #106
  • 44 #75
  • 37 #87
  • 68 #85
  • 98 #95
  • 91 #113
  • 36 #75 (#185 is crossed out and #75 added).
  • 76 #140
  • 32 #128
  • 78 #89
  • 97 #126
  • 86 #152 ($600 as it is a MIR mission)
  • 27 #136
  • 29 #93 — SOLD
  • 51D #175
  • 110 #133
  • 2 #235 ($700)
  • 3 #168 ($700)
  • 71 #155 ($800 1St Shuttle docking to MIR)
  • 107 restrikes (I have several; $600)
  • 107 original ($4000)
  • Expedition 6 #97
  • Expedition 7 #57 — SOLD
  • Expedition 8 #15 — SOLD
Gee, typing numbers is a lot more difficult than just typing! If I have made any typos, I am apologizing now, but I think I got them right. I have decided to keep Expeditions 1-6 and several other significant shuttle flights. Anyway, hope y'all find something that interests you. Thanks for looking.

Looking for an STS-105...

davidcwagner
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posted 12-20-2012 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put me down for the STS-103 as discussed earlier. I will send email.

Mercurypgm
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posted 12-20-2012 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem David on the 103. You are the first one to contact me on any of the medals...

I'll send you info on payment, etc. and please do the same to my e-mail. Nice doing business with you once again.

Mercurypgm
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posted 12-21-2012 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have sold about eight of the Robbins I listed (I did not post SOLD next to the 107 restrikes as I have a few more). I did however write SOLD next to those items that have sold. Still have many that are being offered so check out the list. Thanks to those who ordered...

davidcwagner
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posted 12-28-2012 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for davidcwagner   Click Here to Email davidcwagner     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
STS-103 Robbins received. Great price. Superfast shipping. Always a pleasure to do business with Richard.

Tallpaul
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posted 01-02-2013 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tallpaul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also ordered a Robbins Medal from Richard. His service was fast and the medal was in really fine condition, much better in fact than a Skylab medal that I purchased through an auction house.

Mercurypgm
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posted 01-03-2013 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your comment.

Just to clarify, as a coin collector the term "fine" is a relatively low qualty condition coin. For the medallion I sent, the term would be more accurately referred to as "Brilliant Uncirculated" and in it's original case.

Coins are graded as follows:

Poor, fair, good, very good, fine, very fine, extremely fine, almost uncirculated (AU), uncirculated (UNC), brilliant uncirculated (BU), mint state (MS), Proof.

Each category can be broken down further by a "point system". A single point difference can make a significant price difference.

Some of you may have seen some Robbins that have been "slabbed" (put into a sealed holder) by one of about seven numismatic (coin) grading services. Some of these have appeared in Heritage space auctions and a typical grade and description might be "MS-67, with luster, from the Jim Lovell collection". Any minor defect is noted.

Howard Weinberger, who wrote two two books on Robbins, helps the astronauts (or himself) get medallions graded. I believe he uses NGC as the grading service.

ANACS is also a quality grading service. Most coins of any value that are bought and sold are in sealed holders. Even so, grading a coin or a medallion is not an exact science. Just recently "Coin World" sent the same coin to 7 different grading services and not a single grading service agreed on the same point grade! The same coin was graded in general catagories AU, UNC and BU, but, not one service agreed as to the point grading.

Just like grading diamonds, comics, baseball cards, etc., it is not an exact science. So, who wants to start a grading service for space signed photos! Trust me, as the hobby matures, it won't be long before that becomes the norm and a grading service typically charges $50-$250 or more to grade an item.

How many of y'all have received a collectable item described as "very fine" that is bent, dinged, ripped, scratched, smudged, etc., etc., and returned it or just accepted it. I always call an auction company once I receive a catalog or see an item online and then ask for someone there to physically pull the item and look for any defects! In a recent sale there were three Armstrongs that were inscribed to the same person. I had each one described to me and only one was what I felt (based on what I was told) acceptable. Of the three sold, I paid the highest price, but I also got the best item!

Hey, buy a painting sometime and then insurance it on a special rider and every year they will increase the insured value by the CPI (Consumer Price Index) based on what you paid. Trust me that if you bought an Alan Bean painting in the 80's as I did, it has increased in value far more than the CPI. So every 10 years or so it is a good idea to get a formal appraisal that your insurance company will require to ensure proper coverage. A simple appraisal on a piece of art may currently be about 1% or more of the value. Expensive yes, but if the cost was $10,000 twenty five years ago, today's value of that same original Bean painting might be $250,000, far greater than the CPI over that time!

A fire, a flood, or a hurricane and you might have very, very substantial losses. Read your homeowner's policy and you would be surprised by what it may or may not cover! Floods are not covered. A special policy is required by FEMA to cover flood damage. No policy, no payment, poor Sandy victims! Hope that helps...

Tallpaul
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posted 01-03-2013 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tallpaul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me clarify my earlier comments. I am also a numismatist in addition to collecting space memorabilia and my particular specialty is 19th century proof coinage. I did not intend to cast a slur on you with my description of the Robbins Medal as being really fine. I had been following the threads on NGC encapsulation and I gathered that much of the cS community didn't really care about NGC grades.

However, based upon my years of coin collecting, if I was to assign a grade to the medal I received from you it would definitely be an MS 65 with a potential to go higher. I a feel reluctance to say any higher grade without a lab report or certification.

I apologize if you felt that my praise of your service and the medal that I purchased from you was inaccurate.

Mercurypgm
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posted 01-03-2013 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I collect old British prior to George 1. No offense was taken at all, your use of the word "fine" just gave me a chance to show off.

Auction houses are great at describing items incorrectly and too many space collectors accept items that are what I would refer to as "junk" (condition wise). Glad to meet a fellow numismatist. Could I interest you in some Pattern Proofs, another specialty I collect.

When I am bored I like to look through Judd for fun. I owned a 43P and unique 43D copper cents, and made a nice profit back in 2000, but when I saw what both sold for in 2011, I cried like a baby. Oh well. Drop me an e-mail and we can talk about coins.

Pleased at your MS65 grade, though I might have to say I think it was MS67. LOL. Couldn't resist!

Mercurypgm
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posted 01-03-2013 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would you grade the Skylab you received? Just curious...

Tallpaul
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posted 01-04-2013 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tallpaul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's been a pleasure exchanging e-mails with you. I would grade the Skylab medal as an MS-62. It has a letter of provenance from its previous owner.

Mercurypgm
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posted 01-05-2013 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mercurypgm   Click Here to Email Mercurypgm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too enjoyed our exchange of e-mails. Seems we have a lot of similar interests.

Oh, it seems that I have been paying too much for art appraisals as Paul explained that I should be paying a flat fee. Thanks for the heads up.

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