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rjurek349
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posted 11-15-2003 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...and, hey, I ain't complaining...:-)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3638731388&category=13903

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posted 11-15-2003 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for uzzi69   Click Here to Email uzzi69     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What flown Apollo 8 flag?

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posted 11-15-2003 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poolman18   Click Here to Email poolman18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This must be a first.

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posted 11-15-2003 09:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarrv15   Click Here to Email lunarrv15     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
w-w-what is the seller selling.

I see a 5ft 7in blond clad alien

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posted 11-15-2003 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 072069   Click Here to Email 072069     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha! Did you check out some of the other items this eBayer is selling? Like for instance, this DVD player:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32864&item=3059325767

I love the close-ups of the er, ah, remote control :-)

Bernie

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posted 11-15-2003 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Lorraine   Click Here to Email Dan Lorraine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah ... as far as the babe ... I mean the flag goes (sorry) ... legitimate??? How do the signatures look??

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posted 11-15-2003 10:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poolman18   Click Here to Email poolman18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As for the DVD Link


Picture 024 is very TWO atypical in my opinion.

Very fake IMHO

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posted 11-15-2003 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bernie -- I'd have to say, my favorite (if that is possible) is the server one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51229&item=3059325876

Very creative product placement. <wink>

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posted 11-16-2003 12:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dbeigie   Click Here to Email dbeigie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Robert,

Is this women available for appearances on BuySpace?

;-)

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posted 11-16-2003 02:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RMH   Click Here to Email RMH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great way to market your product. It definitely peaks ones interest to look at all the other "goods" this ebayer is selling.

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posted 11-16-2003 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kirsten   Click Here to Email Kirsten     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder which shortcomings of his for sale items this seller wants to distract his potential buyers from.

An Anders starting with $ 1 ??? ($20.50 by now) Somehow these things (autographs !!!) look autopen to me but I'm no expert ... And, BTW, have really ever any flags been flown on Apollo 8 ??

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posted 11-16-2003 05:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seriously guys ... Did anyone notice the large Earth globe ( in the Dell6400 server auction ) ?
Cheers !
( Becoming an eBay fan ;-) )

John K. Rochester
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posted 11-16-2003 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for John K. Rochester   Click Here to Email John K. Rochester     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice ..uh.. Mascons!!

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posted 11-16-2003 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lee   Click Here to Email lee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I`ve bid on the Dell poweredge but not sure what it is yet !!!

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posted 11-16-2003 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This seller is really raising the ummm, "bar" on buyer attention to product!

Best,
Bruce

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posted 11-16-2003 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bruce   Click Here to Email bruce     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTW, I do agree with David re: the DVD Link's Picture 024 being atypical. Still though, probably worth a few orbits in the name of exploration.

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posted 11-16-2003 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i agree on "all fronts." It is tough to tell from a 2 dimensional image whether or not they...oops...I mean, it is real or not. One needs the tactile experience as well... :-)

Rich

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posted 11-16-2003 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for icarkie   Click Here to Email icarkie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've just sold a couple of items on ebay,
I know what the wife would say if I asked her to pose with the items I've just sold (lol).
BTW any C/s members in the Tampa area.
(just a thought)
Ian

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posted 11-16-2003 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is she included with the items?

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posted 11-16-2003 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott   Click Here to Email Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That has got to be the smartest eBay seller ever.

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posted 11-16-2003 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for poolman18   Click Here to Email poolman18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott

lets see at what sells and for how much.

David

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posted 11-16-2003 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
too much airbrush was used in the pics

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posted 11-16-2003 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for robertstulman   Click Here to Email robertstulman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HI,
My name is Robert Stulman and I am the guy selling the Flag flown on Apollo 8. I bought this flag for $10,000 in 1997. I bought it from a rare book dealer who had just aquired it from Mr. Webb's Estate Sale. It is 100% original and I guarantee it. I had it framed and matted and added the picture. It hung in my office 5 years till I closed my company and started my ebay business. The lighted globe was also in my office. I get a little euphoric every time I look at it and get to thinking that I was 3 months old as the flag orbited the moon with those three astronauts. Oh and by the way, the Girl is my sister in law. And thanks for the compliments. Please bid on the flag and help me sell it for a price it deserves. Even if you'll be overbid, Both I and my sister in law would appreciate it.

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posted 11-17-2003 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALAIN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O.K. ... good luck with the auction (s) !

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Originally posted by robertstulman:
HI,
My name is Robert Stulman and I am the guy selling the Flag flown on Apollo 8. Oh and by the way, the Girl is my sister in law.

I guess that explains the need for the oxygen bottle in the server picture.

:-)

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posted 11-19-2003 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarrv15   Click Here to Email lunarrv15     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
10K is pricie for my checking account

wonder how the guy was aware his auction was being discussed here

we have alot of lurkers?

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posted 11-19-2003 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarrv15   Click Here to Email lunarrv15     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
just browsed the dvd auction

foul pose of her leaning forward for the cheap cleavage shot.

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Robert Pearlman
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Originally posted by lunarrv15:
we have alot of lurkers?

There are certainly far more lurkers than posters. Approximately 60,000 different people (or at least, different IP addresses) access this site monthly.

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posted 11-19-2003 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Keith Barber   Click Here to Email Keith Barber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a dollar each a month subscription would be nice for you Robert !!

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Originally posted by Keith Barber:
Just a dollar each a month subscription would be nice for you Robert !!

I wish! I've long said: collectSPACE offers me all the perks of a great job -- travel, prestige, access to exclusive events, interaction with VIPs, freebies and product samples, etc. -- everything but the paycheck!

Unfortunately, there's only one online industry where the subscription model really works -- and its closer to what the original topic of this thread was about than the item he was trying to sell.

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"There are certainly far more lurkers than posters. Approximately 60,000 different people (or at least, different IP addresses) access this site monthly."

That HUGE number sure is food for thought. 60,000 people is a LOT of folks! I've got to admit that at first it strikes me as a bit creepy that there are that many people just listening in. It drives home to me the fact that this is really an open forum, more of a soapbox than a private conversation. OK, well a LARGE soapbox with a small city listening in!

Are there that many people interested in collecting space? Are all these people bidding against me on ebay? Or, is this the wave to come? Ahhhhh, LOOK OUT! Big wave coming!!

Noah

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posted 11-20-2003 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be fair, those numbers are for the entire site, so a lot of those visitors are making a beeline for the Sightings calendar, News section, and front page without ever visiting the message boards. I would also make an educated guess that most are not space collectors, nor are considering becoming space collectors, but rather are space history enthusiasts, educators, students, and members of the general public who discover the site through search engines or links from other websites while surfing.

Still, it amazes me that with little to no paid advertising that this site has grown to attract such numbers. Imagine if I had a marketing budget!

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posted 11-22-2003 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see it didn't hit reserve, but is back up without a reserve. will be interesting to see where it goes. nice to see the sister in law again, though... ;-)

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Getting back on the topic, Is this item look authentic to you all?
Thanks
Adam

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posted 12-09-2003 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leon Ford   Click Here to Email Leon Ford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been out of town and missed the first few times this item was up on ebay. Does anyone else have a problem with the inscription on this item? I have a hard time believing that Frank Borman or NASA would give Jim Webb, the former NASA Administrator, an item with an inscription on it that looks like it was written very quickly and in such a sloppy way.

I have no idea if the flag is flown or not, but the inscription on the item leads me to question everything about this item. It really ruins the item for me.

Leon

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I have seen a flown flag presentation inscribed to Werner von Braun, signed all nine Skylab astronauts, that has the very generic notation "For your 'extra' effort in making the Skylab missions successful." You would think, given who he was, that von Braun would warrant something more personal.

I have the feeling that there were personal presentations from the astronauts and then there were the official presentations orchestrated by NASA. I would think the Webb piece and aforementioned von Braun presentation are of this "official" variety. NASA was presenting these type of items to VIPs, so it was only right that their own VIPs also received them. However, I get the impression that these items were not highly prized, in favor or more personal items gifted, and were almost defacto for each mission flown.

Thoughts?

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I found this original catalog listing online at a place called Biblioctopus. The listing is from June 2002 and the flag was priced at $4500.
http://www.biblioctopus.com/pages/html/spaceflagjpeg.html

Bernie

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By the way, does anyone know why this flag is back on eBay? It went unsold when an original reserve failed to be met and was relisted with no reserve. The second sale was to the first sale's high bidder and now it's back again. Did the high bidder back out of the sale?

Bernie

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posted 12-09-2003 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leon Ford   Click Here to Email Leon Ford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Robert,

I agree with you about there being 2 types of presentations. A lot of the more personal presentations have greetings written by the astronauts themselves. The ones I have seen that come from NASA are more formal. This presentation doesn't seem to fall into either catagory for me.

I know they were giving out a lot of these items and were using different types of presentation certificates. This inscription style just doesn't look right.

Leon

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posted 12-09-2003 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for chet   Click Here to Email chet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It appears to me that this seller used the first auction of this flag to assess price interest, and ran the 2nd auction for it without a reserve hoping it would get "hot" and generate the type of money he was looking for. Without making any hard accusations, it seems likely the winning bidder the first 2 go-rounds was a shill for the seller; how else to explain that this flag is now being offered a 3rd time, but this time with bidder ID's hidden? If not a shill, the only other explaination would be that the winning bidder simply declined to go thru with the purchase, (unlikely, if the bidder is legitimate, given the history of prior bids made), or the seller refused to sell at the final $6600 price.

Too much funny business going on; at this point this is an auction I'd stay away from.

-chet

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