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Topic: 60 Minutes on Sunday; Space Travel
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MCroft04 Member Posts: 1634 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 12-31-2005 05:52 PM
I just caught a commercial for this Sunday's "60 Minutes" with a spot discussing Space Tourism; everyday people paying for a trip to outer space'; "get the checkbook out". |
jamato99 Member Posts: 147 From: Leesburg, VA USA Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 01-02-2006 06:49 AM
Pretty interesting, facinating stuff. I wonder what NASA thinks about Rutan's accomplishments and his big plans for the future. Anyone have $200,000 I can borrow???Jamie |
John Charles Member Posts: 339 From: Houston, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 01-02-2006 08:34 AM
quote: Originally posted by jamato99: Pretty interesting, facinating stuff. I wonder what NASA thinks about Rutan's accomplishments and his big plans for the future. Anyone have $200,000 I can borrow??? Jamie
Not speaking for NASA, but judging by NASA Administrator Mike Griffin's public actions, NASA is solidly behind commercial tourist flights. Griffin has indicated that NASA would like to buy tickets to orbit from commercial providers who can transport astronauts to the International Space Station, for example, and let NASA focus on missions to the Moon and beyond. Under his direction, NASA has established an office at Johnson Space Center specifically to foster and support commercially-provided cargo and crew flights. NASA astronauts attended some of the X-Prize launches as observers, including Scott Horowitz, who is now NASA's Associate Administrator for Exploration, and one of the originators of the concept for using the Shuttle Solid Rocket Boster as the first stage for NASA's next generation space capsule. And, Rutan is a member of the Transformational Space team that NASA has funded to study a simpler way of launching crews to the ISS. My own opinion is that Rutan did a masterful job of using existing technology in a novel and important way. But remember that "SpaceShipOne" was only a first step. SS1's Mach 3 straight up is only 1/8th the velocity needed for orbit, or judged in terms of kinetic energy (proportional to the square of velocity) only 1/64th the energy required. That leaves "only" 98% of the way to go, which will require substantially more effort in thermal protection, life support, guidance/control, and everything else that was found in even the rudimentary Mercury capsules of the 1960s. Even the X-15 of the late 1950s outperformed SS1 by exploring the Mach 5 velocity regime in low-altitude flight, which Rutan avoided by aiming SS1 nearly vertically as soon as possible, because it would not survive the air resistance of Mach 3 at a lower altitude. I hope Rutan and his colleagues are successful: the only way I will ever get to orbit is if I can someday buy a ticket--right after I win a lottery! ------------------ John Charles Houston, Texas |
MCroft04 Member Posts: 1634 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 01-02-2006 08:57 AM
I read in Spaceflight magazine that "Richard Branson says that Virgin Galactic has received $10 Million in deposits from 34,000 potential astronauts, who are booked to fly on the SpaceShipOne rocket plane, at a cost of $200,000 for a 15 minute sub-orbital flight". Lets see, that depostit averages just under $300 per person; I wonder how many of those folks are also counting on winning the lottery to get the remainder of the fare. |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 01-02-2006 03:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by MCroft04: I read in Spaceflight magazine that "Richard Branson says that Virgin Galactic has received $10 Million in deposits from 34,000 potential astronauts, who are booked to fly on the SpaceShipOne rocket plane, at a cost of $200,000 for a 15 minute sub-orbital flight". Lets see, that depostit averages just under $300 per person; I wonder how many of those folks are also counting on winning the lottery to get the remainder of the fare.
I believe that Branson said that he has deposits from 3,400 potential "space tourists" (not 34,000) and that another 90 have already paid the entire $200,000 for a future mission. With 3,500 potential "space tourists" in line already, how many tourists could they take on any one mission? |
MCroft04 Member Posts: 1634 From: Smithfield, Me, USA Registered: Mar 2005
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posted 01-03-2006 05:18 PM
Just stating what was written in SpaceFlight magazine; 34,000 people have deposited a total of $10MM. |
Astro Bill Member Posts: 1329 From: New York, NY Registered: Feb 2005
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posted 01-03-2006 06:24 PM
OK, if 34,000 is correct, how do they plan to send that many people into space? I would guess that they would have a lottery system of some kind for those who made a deposit. If the "tourist spacecraft" is like the shuttle, it may be able to carry up to 10 people at a time. At that rate it would take a considerable time to launch 34,000 people.[This message has been edited by Astro Bill (edited January 07, 2006).] |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42986 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-03-2006 06:39 PM
Five spacecraft with four passenger seats (someone please correct me if that is no longer true) flying maybe three times daily would account for 60 people per day. Assuming five days of operation per week, that's 1,200 per month. That's 14,400 in a year. They could fly all 34,000 in less than three years.Compared to only 400+ people in 50 years, I think people would be willing to wait. That's of course assuming they only fly their original fleet (as announced) of five vehicles. Logic would dictate that if all 34,000 can put down the full $200,000 that the rate of vehicle construction will increase in that timeframe. |
issman1 Member Posts: 1042 From: UK Registered: Apr 2005
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posted 01-09-2006 07:09 AM
With regard to NASA and Rutan... The fact is that NASA has never launched a civilian into space. Nor does its mandate make provisions for a civilian flying on any of its spacecraft. Of course, it did try 20 years ago to launch a civilian Shuttle passenger which ended in disaster. Mr Rutan, by comparison, has neither the finances nor the facilities to rival NASA. Yet with his modest resources and sheer tenacity, the man has opened the space frontier to ordinary people around the world, albeit sub-orbital flight. Even the Russians are making their Soyuz vehicle accessible to anyone who has the cash to do so. History will forever record NASA's pathetic public stance against Dennis Tito in 2001. Yet two other space tourists followed him, with more waiting in the wings. The moral of this tale is not to expect the nearly 50-year-old NASA to make space travel accessible to the ordinary Joe or Jane. After all, it has 60 of its own government astronauts still waiting to fly in space a decade after their selection ! | |
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