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rjurek349
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posted 08-08-2003 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One other thought on the new website. I just went to the site and did a "contact us" email to inquire about NASA's marketing and communications strategy. Is there a comprehensive plan, and if yes, can I see it? I'll let the group know what I hear.

In the meantime, it struck me as odd as I got the spash page intro that I skipped through. It said, "Welcome to the New NASA." And right there my bulls*** meter went off. The new NASA? The only thing that is new on the site is the eye candy approach. There is nothing fundamentally "new" about NASA. Hell, the STS-107 report and recommendations aren't even done yet. We are not in a new budget year. The director hasn't announced a bold new system-wide redesign of the agency. No. It is not a "New NASA" but a new, prettier website...i.e., it is just cosmetic...and, perhaps, symptomatic of the problem...And then I think, "perhaps I am being too picky..." but then I think, "Nooooo...this is the issue. This is PR over true marketing. This idea that if one puts a pretty wrapper on it, it will work...but it doesn't go deep enough...it doesn't address the problems COMPREHENSIVELY and at the core...it is a noble attempt at a one-off..."

Just another thought...

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posted 08-09-2003 12:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, it depends on how you define new... first off, the idea of the "new NASA" predates STS-107, so isn't referring to a new post-Columbia NASA, but basically the new O'Keefe NASA.
What's new at NASA? Well, if you're wanting a new mission to Mars or the Moon, then yeah, you're out of luck, for right now...
But other than that, in basically the last year and a half... a new administrator, a new mission, a new departure from Goldin's smaller, cheaper, faster approach, a new dedication to next-gen propulsion, a new spacecraft being fast-tracked, a new seriousness about education, a new consolidation of the agency's public internet face, a new fostering of cooperation in agency, a new fiscal responsibility, new Mars missions, possibly a new Pluto mission, new Shuttle program administrators, a new crop of Educator Astronauts, and if I gave it more thought, I could probably come up with several more. Yeah, there's a lot the same, and I'm not saying that all of these are sea change improvements, but to say there's nothing new at NASA is ignoring a lot.

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posted 08-09-2003 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
excellent post, David! Rich

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posted 08-09-2003 01:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lewarren   Click Here to Email lewarren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rich,
NASA offers FANTASTIC opportunities for students in high school, college and graduate school. You can read about it on the NASA website in the section for students.

I'm not just talking about money - there are great programs in which students can work and train with researchers at NASA centers.

NASA also provides fantastic learning materials for teachers K-12. NASA offers special opportunities for teachers - they just have to know to ask.

Liz (whose Ph.D. was paid for by NASA)

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posted 08-09-2003 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DChudwin   Click Here to Email DChudwin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A great discussion.

One of the reasons that astronauts appear to be bland is that the unofficial motto of the astronaut office is "don't screw up." While this applies to technical work, it also sets the tone for public appearances. Bland, non-controversial remarks are "safer" for a current astronaut who wants to get a flight assignment. Look at what happened to Mark Lee when he made waves about the EVAs required for the space station assembly. Read about George Aabey's autocratic reign in Dragonfly. It's safer for an astronaut to be studiously non-controversial.

Astronauts suddenly become more opinionated when they leave the program. For example, I enjoyed Walt Cunningham's observations in the new edition of his book.

NASA has a culture of "don't rock the boat." This makes for a less interesting public personality (and also for the Challenger and Columbia acidents).

Perhaps astronauts should have additional speaking and PR training. But NASA itself also needs to be more aggressive in its PR posture.

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posted 08-09-2003 10:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz -- first: congrats on the PhD. I never made it to the big dance, got past the M.A. and then got sidetracked. I always joke with my wife -- someday, I'll retire and go back to school and die a doctor! :-)

I never doubted all the good programs at NASA for kids and scholarship opps. The moon rock thieves pointed out the increadible access students can have at NASA. But your comment on K-12 materials for teachers hits my main comment (this blah blah about PR vs. Marketing) right on the head, "They just need to know how to ask."

The push approach to PR creates and distributes, but I still think NASA needs a better plan to pull (i.e., market to) the target audiences.

I still don't think the astro's need a better image. I think they have a great one. They just aren't getting the exposure. (Ala the Life magazine days.)

Anyway -- thanks for pointing those programs out to me. David -- you, too.

PS: The other thought, too, is -- NASA has great product, but if no one is "buying" the product, what is the reason? You can't say unless you do comprehensive market research. You can venture a guess that the astros don't have an exciting image anymore. Or you can venture (missguided as I was) that there aren't enough outreach programs. Or you can venture that there isn't a good mktg/pr strategy (maybe there is, maybe there isn't). But you don't know for sure.

And on this board we are already preaching to the choir, so to speak. We've all "found" NASA in our own way. It's from the people who are not buying the product that we need to hear.

Carrie
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posted 08-09-2003 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carrie   Click Here to Email Carrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On a tangent to what we've been discussing, I've often wished as a space buff that there was more that I could do to get people interested in space, especially after I read a recent poll that women (Americans, I think) are only a third as likely as men to support the space program. It made me glad I'm going to be giving a short talk on the Centennial of Flight to a few women's groups this winter/next spring, wearing my new Shuttle flight suit that just arrived this week! Maybe I can get these gals more interested.

So, in regards to marketing space, would there be a way to involve existing space enthusiasts in getting people connected with space? If yes, how would you involve them? Or are space enthusiasts best left to doing their own thing, while the media or a marketing company does its?

Also, it's not only NASA that should be thinking about marketing...let's hope the X-Prize competition and similar undertakings try to reach out effectively as well.

One more comment on the article - I can't believe the author complained about the orange and blue flight suits...uhhh, they have to be orange for safety reasons, and am I the only person who thinks astronauts look great in those blue flight suits?!? I don't think so

Carrie

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posted 08-10-2003 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have to say, I think the flight suits are another area where the Russians have us beat... I like some of their multi-colored suits better than the just plain blue.

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posted 08-10-2003 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Matt T   Click Here to Email Matt T     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't agree with some of the comments expressed earlier in this thread (sorry to drop in late I've been away). A couple of posts argued that as the interest in Apollo wasn't sustained it wasn't a viable path for NASA to repeat such projects.

This is arguing that if NASA were offered a plan that would capture the world's interest for a decade and net them billions of viewers at the completion of the task it wouldn't be worth the effort because the same viewers might watch 'Six Feet Under' the next night.

The public didn't lose interest after three landings. They lost interest after three landings, two circumlunar voyages, nearly twenty orbital missions, and two sub-orbital flights. Space walks, space rendezvous, space dockings and one horrific disaster. Each of these flights, even the least memorable, generated coverage that the current programs can't hold a candle to.

The path to Mars would be a long one that, if clearly marked out, would hold people's attention for years. So what if the night after the landing they watch something else? When the show's over you go home.

I'd also add that nothing holds our attention indefinitely, but some things stay with us forever. My father still gets a gleam in his eye when he tells me how he listened to the Apollo 11 landing on the radio, his heart in his mouth.

It doesn't matter if he watched the Apollo 15 landing or not, the excitement of the space-race planted a seed of interest and goodwill towards space exploration that has stayed with him. His generation is aging and NASA has not planted that same seed of interest in the younger generation.

If they don't grasp the necessity to astound us once more as they astounded us thirty years ago then ultimately they will be of no more interest to the man in the street than any other bunch of remote, white-coated scientists.

They are building newer faster space craft, designing new EVA space suits, and sending probes to Mars anyway. Why don't they tie it into a single program and tell us about it?

Cheers,
Matt

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posted 08-10-2003 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just playing devil's advocate here, but really, doing something like that and pushing a grand new in-development program without an overwhelming mandate has somewhat of a possibility to backfire against the agency. Consider: NASA (et al) start working on how to go to the Moon, JFK announces we're going to the Moon, everybody gets excited, we go to the Moon, everybody's happy. But then NASA starts working on a space station, Reagan announces we're going to build a space station, Congress complicates the station and then decides it doesn't want to pay for a complicate station, NASA gets the blame for taking 15 years to get the station up. If NASA tries to get the public fired up about a program, and then Washington does to NASA what Washington has been doing to NASA for 35 years, then NASA looks bad, and loses public support. It's far safer to just try and boost public awareness of the things the agency is doing currently and excitement for those things, and then let that excitement create the mandate to do bigger things.

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posted 08-11-2003 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This press release seemed well-timed for the discussion at hand:

NASA is looking for innovative and "out-of-the-box" ways to tell the nation about the agency's projects and programs. NASA is looking to the private sector for suggestions to help keep the American public informed about the space agency.

Here's the idea: NASA information could appear on a consumer product, be included as an insert in the packaging, or be delivered by a service. NASA is particularly interested in opportunities that are popular with students and those under 35 years old. NASA hopes to inform the public, while also inspiring the next generation of explorers.

Organizations that produce, market or distribute popular products or services may submit proposals to NASA Headquarters by 4:30 p.m. EDT Oct. 3, 2003. The solicitation is entitled, "Seeking Offers to Disseminate NASA Information by Means of Consumer Products or Services."

For details about the purpose, benefits, proposal requirements or evaluation criteria, visit:
http://prod.nais.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/eps/synopsis.cgi?acqid=106951

Carrie
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posted 08-11-2003 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carrie   Click Here to Email Carrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cool! When I find out what products the NASA info/goodies will be packaged with, I'll highly consider buying that brand...hey, this could open up a whole new category of collecting! Save your $$ now! Carrie

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posted 08-11-2003 07:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that is a great idea! I do hope, however, that NASA isn't just issuing this and hoping/waiting for companies to come to them. Sure, some will -- mostly like those already working with NASA or with a space themed product. But I do hope they have someone actively contacting the video game people, the reality tv people, the board game people, etc. i think, for example, the Parker Brothers should re-release the Space Monopoly game for a special A11 anniversary issue next year.

My part will be to take the news release and email it to the "Contact Us" sections of some of my favorite game and merchandise companies, and suggest they look into it. Anyone else "game" ?

Rich

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posted 08-11-2003 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmonavtka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, I've just signed up.
Some of the entries here say what I've been feeling for a while: that the space program is dead BORING! NASA and Russia have a great asset in their astronauts and cosmonauts, and should be marketing them like pop stars - the good-looking ones, anyway! I'm sure a lot of women would find this very appealing (me for one)! ;-)

Contacting astronauts and cosmonauts is frustratingly hard, as you can only go through the "Ask the ISS crew" on the NASA site if you want to e-mail them, and none of mine have yet got through. They might as well live in a parallel universe! Making them more accessible - such as allowing them to have their own websites - would be great. Create a fan club for them!

This may sound trite, but I reckon that this form of publicity would appeal to a lot more people than any amount of tedious blathering about science.


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posted 08-12-2003 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even if you didn't create individual Web sites for each astronaut, how hard would it be to create a Web board or a forum like this where people could interact with astronauts... as large as the corps is, you could have a decent amount of astronaut feedback without any individual having to dedicate more than like 15 minutes every 5 months.

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Guys, I think you are completely underestimating the popularity of connecting with astronauts online.

In 1996, I founded "Ask An Astronaut", the first online site that provided direct access to the men and women who explore space. The format was basically a question and answer -- the public submitted questions, the editor (myself) selected the most popular or best submissions, and the featured astronaut for the month would answer the top 20 or so queries, as well as five frequently asked questions (i.e. How do you go to the bathroom?).

In 1997, we were receiving 10,000 to 15,000 questions per month. Remember, in 1997, the number of people on the web were several orders of magnitude less than they are today.

An open forum on NASA's website, where anyone could post, would not only result in the perception that astronauts weren't interested in answering questions (when in fact, it would just be the sheer logistics preventing them from doing so for 95% of the questions received) but would be a moderation ngihtmare. Millions of people visit the NASA website.

(Anticipating that someone might raise Edgar Mitchell's board as an example, he doesn't advertise his site and so I imagine the his traffic is considerably less than what NASA receives. That said, I wish more retired astronauts would take Mitchell's lead. What he has done with his board is amazing...)

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see the astronauts more accessible, and the occassional live web chat might be the answer, but we should be realistic with what we propose NASA implement.

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This is a great discussion and I hope that someone may have answers to some related questions that have been bothering me for 30 odd years. Why is it that NASA's budget, as allocated by our representatives in Washington, seemingly so closely related to TV ratings numbers and so-called public opinion? Year after year, they happliy spend our billions of dollars on projects and agencies that most Americans know little of nor care about. Why not so for NASA? Has NASA just been doing a plain poor job of explaining to them the benfits of a healthy and well funded space program in terms politicians can understand? Is it that the politicians just don't see the benefits as they understand them as worth the monetary or possible political cost of providing the funding? Is NASA perhaps a little too public? For whatever reason, the realities of the shuttle and ISS don't compare to the vision we were led to believe when they were started. Does the heavy public exposure of things like cost overruns and launch delays, not to mention flight tragedies, make NASA an easy target(or scapegoat)for those who want to be seen as cost cutters, willing to put their image above the general good by trying to please "the masses"? I just can't imagine that the reason is that the benefits just don't equal or exceed the investment. Whatever they may be doing in the area of public relations, what they do in Washington seems to be NASA's biggest failure. Any ideas?
Regards,
Mike

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posted 08-12-2003 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said Mike.


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