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cosmos-walter
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posted 05-01-2013 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Russian Crew surgeon A. Vasin sent a letter from Kennedy Space Center to ISS Expedition 5 commander Valeri Korsun. It was delivered with space shuttle Endeavour's mission STS-113 on Nov. 25, 2002. The stamps were cancelled with a date stamp "NOV 11 '02" rather than with a KSC postmark.

Does anybody know anything about this date stamp?

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 05-01-2013 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like the letter was going the other way, from the ISS to KSC. The date stamp may be something they had on board to prevent reuse of the postage, though I don't know why anyone on the station would be concerned with that — I get plenty of letters where the stamps have not been canceled.

cosmos-walter
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posted 05-01-2013 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A. Vasin sent inside this envelope brochures from KSC to Valeri Korzun.

STS-113 docked on Nov. 25, 2002.

Whenever cosmonauts on board cancelled postage stamps on board ISS before 2009 they used the circulate date cancellation which was sent by RKK Energia. This stamp is on this cover in red colour. In 2008 the first postmark was delivered to ISS. It is a postmark of the Russian segment of ISS and includes postal code 101000 of Moscow main post office.

astrobv
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posted 03-08-2015 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrobv   Click Here to Email astrobv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Walter, you're sure it's not a fake cover?

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-08-2015 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrobv, the on-board cancellations are genuine. Why do you think, it might be a fake cover?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-08-2015 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why is it thought that the dated (Nov. 25, 2002) cancel/cachet is applied in space?

I have the same marker on a bag for a collectSPACE pin that flew to the ISS. It is dated for the same day as the pin landed back on Earth — a day when the cosmonaut who flew the pin would not have had the time to add the mark either in space or on the ground.

As such, I thought the date marker was applied on the ground and backdated, and only the octagonal ISS mark was applied on orbit.

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-08-2015 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, both cachets were issued by RKK Energia. They were to be used on board ISS, only. No duplicate of one of them exists on earth. However, before the first Circular date stamp flew into space, some trial cancellations were done on earth. They have one more star than the ones done in space.

However, fakes exist.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-08-2015 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know for certain mine is not a fake, so that post-dating is/was a common practice on-orbit.

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-09-2015 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, your bag was cancelled on board ISS. Cosmonauts are using the day of docking or undocking, respectively to documentate the spacecraft the item was delivered. This does not necessarily mean, that the item was treated on this very date.

astrobv
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posted 03-11-2015 05:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astrobv   Click Here to Email astrobv     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Walter, recently I saw several covers on eBay from the ISS and MIR, all proposed were fake. I tried to buy one but the seller blocked me.

The quality of the cancels was poor, but for a beginner it is very difficult to see whether it's false one or not. The covers offered are always without signatures and sometimes faults are made in dates. The origin is from Russian seller who has several eBay accounts.

Russian
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posted 03-16-2015 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can see some onboard seals on the flown panels (see the Facebook page of Spacepatches.nl). There is no launchers on the Russian segment seal. But I will check with the real flown covers I have. Somewhere I saw this rocket seal before!

cosmos-walter
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posted 03-16-2015 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cosmos-walter   Click Here to Email cosmos-walter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Russian, you are referring to the posting of 6. Dezember 2014. The black cancellation on the left is the postmark, the blue ones are cachets which were sent into space by RKK Energia.

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