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NAAmodel#240
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posted 02-04-2011 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAAmodel#240   Click Here to Email NAAmodel#240     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A fellow collector says July 20, 1969 was a Sunday. Does that mean any postmarks we display (from Houston for example) are backdated?

xlsteve
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posted 02-04-2011 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for xlsteve   Click Here to Email xlsteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NAAmodel#240:
A fellow collector says July 20, 1969 was a Sunday...

It was.

yeknom-ecaps
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posted 02-04-2011 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeknom-ecaps   Click Here to Email yeknom-ecaps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes - as we discussed before backdated cancels exist for most missions as you can find, for example, various Sunday cancels from KSC, Cape Canaveral and Houston for Gemini and Apollo missions. Daily Houston cancels including holidays and Sundays for all Skylab missions, Christmas Day cancels for Apollo 8 and Skylab space walk, etc.

SpaceSteve
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posted 02-04-2011 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The way I understand it, the USPS would apply a back-dated postmark in instances where the envelopes were in their possession on or before the applicable date.

So, as long as the envelopes were turned in to the post office on or before July 20, 1969, the July 20 postmark would be applied. If the envelopes were turned in after July 20th, then the July 20 postmarks could not be legally applied.

Apollo-Soyuz
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posted 02-04-2011 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo-Soyuz   Click Here to Email Apollo-Soyuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is true back then. I believe that there is now a 30 day window to get cancels. Ken Havekotte I know posts. He can add information about this.

SpaceSteve
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posted 02-04-2011 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceSteve   Click Here to Email SpaceSteve     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Apollo-Soyuz:
I believe that there is now a 30 day window to get cancels.
I know there's a 30 day window to get first day cancellations, as it applies to the postage stamp on the envelope, but that doesn't apply to postmarks commemorating other events.

yeknom-ecaps
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posted 02-04-2011 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yeknom-ecaps   Click Here to Email yeknom-ecaps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
30 day rule applies to FDI and pictorial cancels.

Ken Havekotte
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posted 02-04-2011 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many years ago, perhaps during the early/mid-90s or so, I had requested from our postal headqaurters here (KSC-Orlando-Titusville) approval for a 30-day acceptance and work period in having space philatelic covers processed and cancelled.

It was approved, however, for covers mailed in or brought in to the the space center's "on base" main HQS postal station there was a stipulation, though.

The 30-day rule would only apply to shuttle launches and landings.

It is the same today.

spaceman1953
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posted 02-05-2011 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman1953   Click Here to Email spaceman1953     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am talking about pre- 9/11 days here, but I frequently would walk right into the back of my local post office and walk up to the cancelling machines and throw things on the belt that I wanted cancelled that day or night. Even before 9/11, it got a little tighter to do things like that, but we are not talking about a small town here, but a postal facility were shifts worked 24 hours doing different stuff.

These days, if you know the rules, you can usually get stuff cancelled on a hand-back basis anywhere in the country, depending upon your persistence level and the cooperative nature of the clerk. Some will do anything for you... others need to be convinced that you are doing only what is allowed. Some will get their supervisors involved (in bigger towns) and others don't care enough and will comply with your wishes. Being polite ALWAYS helps. Buying some stamps at the window in little towns ALWAYS helps, even if you are not going to use that postage on your items you want cancelled. Revenue is what it has always been about with the POD/USPS, to be sure.

Have fun! And you will often be equally amazed at what you can accomplish through the mail! Be clear in what you want, say please and thank you.

MikeSpace
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posted 02-14-2011 08:14 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Easy [for me] to remember it was Sunday as the New York Daily News had the following day/date under the banner the next day, no larger than any other day:

Moonday, July 21, 1969

One of the coolest bits of creative journalism/typesetting ever, in my opinion.

All times are CT (US)

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