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Topic: Emblems on SpaceX's Dragon spacesuits
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-31-2020 04:23 PM
   
No sign of a mission patch, but SpaceX's spacesuits have name tags.The opposite arm has the NASA insignia and "SpaceX" embroidered in the same style as the crew's names.  
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Liembo
Member Posts: 714
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 05-20-2020 04:30 PM
NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine posted some photos (via Twitter) of the NASA insignia and worm patches on the SpaceX spacesuits.I wasn't aware that PVC patches were spaceflight-rated, but apparently they must be?  
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-26-2020 07:00 AM
collectSPACE SpaceX astronauts first to forgo wearing mission patch for launch since GeminiThe first NASA astronauts to launch from the United States in almost a decade will also be the first American crew in 55 years to lift off wearing spacesuits that lack a mission patch. It is not that SpaceX's first mission to fly with astronauts does not have an official insignia — in fact, it has two — but rather, it was a choice made by the company to not add either a patch to the pressure garments that crew members Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley will wear when they board the Dragon spacecraft for launch.  |
Mike Dixon
Member Posts: 1537
From: Kew, Victoria, Australia
Registered: May 2003
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posted 05-26-2020 08:12 AM
Odd, to say the least. |
Paul J. Brennan
Member Posts: 174
From: Linden, CA
Registered: May 2019
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posted 05-26-2020 09:08 AM
Maybe it has something to do with the material of the pressure suits? I doubt it. Maybe they'll wear one on their jumpsuits underneath the pressure suits? Hopefully, this is not a new trend. |
ejectr
Member Posts: 1826
From: Killingly, CT
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-26-2020 10:22 AM
Look at the difference, though. You remember the Gemini and Apollo suits? Even the shuttle orange suits. Other than the shirt sleeve days of the shuttle... this is a pretty awesome change. |
J Blackburn
Member Posts: 229
From: Virginia USA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 05-26-2020 11:10 AM
I would like to think SpaceX has their reasons but I am doubtful. They do not put out any mission patches until the mission is considered successful for the public to purchase. However, the NASA DM-2 crew patch manufactured by AB Emblem been out for a while now and not placing it on the astronauts spacesuits raises my eyebrow. Even though this is a private company launch vehicle and spacecraft it is still very much a NASA mission with NASA astronauts. Even if it were pressure suit related another form such as beta cloth or screen print should have been able to have been used. Like another person posted, maybe it will be on their flight coveralls or whatever else they will be wearing. Another person posted "It is a pretty awesome change," that is by opinion only. The mission patch is symbolic and should not be changed but worn by its crew members. SpaceX has their own agenda and own way of thinking. The crew patch is tradition and a tradition should carry on. |
usafspace
Member Posts: 179
From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Registered: May 2006
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posted 05-26-2020 01:07 PM
I second that opinion! |
MajTom7
Member Posts: 78
From: Cocoa, FL USA
Registered: Aug 2011
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posted 05-26-2020 03:19 PM
Based on this quote, SpaceX would own the spacesuits so it's up to SpaceX what goes on them.Discussing these differences with NASA Spaceflight is Steve Payne, the recently retired Commercial Crew Launch Integration Manager for NASA. Unlike back in the day when NASA had control of everything, the commercial provider, in this case SpaceX, owns the rocket. They own the capsule. They own the roads in their launch pad and all the assembly and testing of their rocket. That's all theirs. Anything inside the pad perimeter belongs to them. |
ejectr
Member Posts: 1826
From: Killingly, CT
Registered: Mar 2002
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posted 05-26-2020 04:29 PM
Well said, like it or not.
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SkyMan1958
Member Posts: 1026
From: CA.
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted 05-26-2020 10:21 PM
One would assume the suits of the first successful commercial mission will end up in the Smithsonian, so it may also be a variant of the Gemini 5 move, e.g. the patch may not be sewn on to the suit until after a successful flight. (...and yes, I do realize the Gemini 5 crew did have their patches on their suits, just partially "under wraps"). |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 05-26-2020 10:40 PM
If the suits are offered to the Smithsonian and the institution accepts their donation, then it will likely be required that the suits be provided in the same configuration as they were used in flight. Although they sometimes did so in the past, the National Air and Space Museum generally does not accept altered artifacts for display today. |
J Blackburn
Member Posts: 229
From: Virginia USA
Registered: Sep 2011
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posted 05-27-2020 03:34 PM
Remember SpaceX is private and the suits belong to them. I believe the first Dragon Cargo spacecraft is displayed at Hawthorne, as I expect the suits to be. Another option might be one remains at Hawthorne and the other donated to the Smithsonian. However, don't forget the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex where a lot of space history is on display and the suits lifted off from KSC. |
oly
Member Posts: 1202
From: Perth, Western Australia
Registered: Apr 2015
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posted 05-27-2020 09:23 PM
There are a few points to consider about this issue, the first has been covered already, SpaceX owns the suits, it is their train set and they set the rules. Without knowing the design of the suit it is difficult to know what impact a mission patch would have on the suit function. Is the white outer surface of the suit just a covering? Or does it serve some critical function that adding extra additional failure nodes could prove detrimental? Does the printers ink or dye used for a stenciled design effect the suit material? And would an additional mission patch change the aesthetics SpaceX designers were going for (did they think it would be just plain ugly)? The use of the NASA worm typeface may have taken up suit real estate, or perhaps it was a choice between the US flag or a mission patch. Whatever the reason I am sure that it will have a low priority on the list of engineering points needed to be controlled and monitored during the first crewed demonstration test flight. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 08-15-2020 10:56 AM
Soichi Noguchi's Crew-1 spacesuit replaces the NASA worm with the JAXA logo. He is wearing the flag of Japan on his right arm and his name is embroidered in Japanese.I have not found a photo showing what Noguchi is wearing on his left arm, if it is the NASA "meatball" as the other crew members are wearing or something else.  |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 09-29-2020 11:56 AM
Soichi Noguchi will wear the NASA meatball on his left arm: |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 03-30-2021 02:59 PM
For Crew-2, it appears the chest emblem (e.g. NASA worm) has been removed from the suits. Thomas Pesquet is wearing the ESA logo on his right arm and French flag on his left. Aki Hoshide has the JAXA logo on his right arm and Japanese flag on his left arm. His name tag is in English, too.  |
Liembo
Member Posts: 714
From: Bothell, WA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 03-30-2021 04:34 PM
In this particular photo they are all equipped with what appear to be Born Aviation's "Remove Before Flight" tags on their thigh umbilical ports. Born Aviation Product ID: KC-ERM. Available from many aviation gift and supply vendors. |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 46088
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 04-23-2021 07:50 PM
SpaceX is now selling Born Aviation "Remove Before Flight" tags with the company's name and a Crew Dragon Falcon 9 launch on the reverse. And here are the ESA and JAXA logos:  |
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