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Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-06-2015 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz TMA-18M mission patch

The Soyuz TMA-18M spacecraft will launch to the International Space Station on Sept. 1, 2015. Commander Sergei Volkov will join the Expedition 45 crew; British soprano Sarah Brightman and Danish ESA astronaut Andreas Mogensen will spend ten days aboard the orbital outpost before returning to Earth aboard Soyuz TMA-16M with cosmonaut Gennady Padalka.

The Soyuz TMA-18M insignia, which is shaped like the patch for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project — flown 40 years ago, was designed by Jorge Cartes from Madrid, Spain. © Roscosmos/Spacepatches.nl

hoorenz
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posted 03-06-2015 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, of course the "B" of Brightman is in the shape of a C-clef. Very nice idea Jorge!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-06-2015 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really like the adaption of the recent time-lapse photography (I assume) as the inspiration for the Earth and horizon. It conveys a real sense of motion.

Is the intention for the border to be metallic gold when embroidered?

music_space
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posted 03-06-2015 08:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very dynamic insignia I'm of course excited to see musical symbols associated with a space mission, but the C-clef is associated with the alto voice -- while the Miss Brightman is a soprano...

hoorenz
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posted 03-07-2015 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, I think it was playfully meant (just like the randomly placed/scaled notes, stave and G-clef in the central part of the patch). But as far as I understand (I am not a very talented musician) it depends on what line of the stave the C-clef is placed (for soprano, the C-clef is on the bottom line of the stave).

Enjoy the months ahead music_space! These must be exciting times for you.

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posted 03-07-2015 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for music_space   Click Here to Email music_space     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Exciting times indeed!

I love the fact that the waving music staff originates from the orbital module's viewport — the living compartment — as if she was to sing right on her way to the final approach...

(Even though in fact, the three crewpersons will be strapped in the reentry module at this stage.)

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Originally posted by hoorenz:
(for soprano, the C-clef is on the bottom line of the stave)
You are right, here's a use for the C-clef which I didn't know about before today. First line, for soprano voice part or the right hand of a keyboard part... So it makes sense after all!

hoorenz
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posted 03-08-2015 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is not a viewport, it is the hatch.

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posted 03-10-2015 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well... I'm not a musician expert. I'm only a M.D. who loves space flight and its patches since his childhood. Obviously I (and all of us creating space patches) use some "artistic licenses" on them. I thought it might be cool for Sarah and the entire crew the change of her initial "B" by the C-clef. Anyway, you can not hear music in the outer space either...

And yes Robert: it is an adaption of a recent time-lapse photography.

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posted 03-10-2015 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IconDesign29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I absolutely love this patch! It not only captures the beauty of the timelapse imagery it's referencing, but it also has an abstract beauty to it as well!

Incredibly well done Jorge!

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posted 03-10-2015 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very kindly words Blake. I've had great teachers in my way of whom I'm still learning. And now I'm doing it from you... Thank you very much.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 05-13-2015 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So with Sarah Brightman no longer flying on Soyuz TMA-18M, it will be interesting to see if the crew patch is redesigned.

Jorge, have you received any change orders?

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 05-13-2015 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a joke patch, point the Soyuz away from the ISS. Not only as a reference to Brightman not doing her mission, but also to the Progress freighter that also failed to dock with ISS...

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posted 05-14-2015 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We love this design too much to fool around with it and create "joke" versions... Volkov will keep the general design as his crew patch. Don't be surprised if even the musical elements will remain - this was of course already discussed when producing the patch for the back up crew and there, it was decided to keep these. Russian and Danish cosmonauts can sing as well.

carl walker
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posted 05-17-2015 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl walker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You've heard Andreas's karaoke video from his JAXA training sessions then?

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posted 05-22-2015 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to my information Volkov will keep the same logo, which is called "Space Music." Only one name will be changed or deleted. Deleted if they will be only two in the capsule with a cargo container instead of one seat.

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posted 05-23-2015 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Being my first patch "flying alone" it has not been a lucky beginning... I'm sure that my Dutch friends will defend it's survival over all. I have blind trust on them!

mach3valkyrie
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posted 05-28-2015 10:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of these patches was sold on eBay earlier today for $506 with 20 bids from 10 bidders.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 05-29-2015 04:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We (Spacepatches.nl) want to thank the high bidder of the patch. In part he made it possible to produce the updated version of the TMA-18M patch.

The new patch will be of course available for all collectors at the usual price in September of this year.

lunarrv15
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posted 05-29-2015 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunarrv15   Click Here to Email lunarrv15     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How many are/were produced of this version? Who is the authorized maker of Soyuz patches?

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 05-29-2015 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another one of these TMA-18M Brightman patches was sold for a Buy It Now price of $60. It was from a Russian source and seller. (Not to me unfortunately, I wasn't quick enough).

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posted 05-29-2015 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This seller apparently has access to the patches we deliver to Star City.

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posted 05-29-2015 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lm5eagle   Click Here to Email lm5eagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
We (Spacepatches.nl) want to thank the high bidder of the patch.
Just to say 'Thank you' to Spacepatches.nl for your kind words. You folks are always generous in your thoughts.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 06-10-2015 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see our Russian seller has listed the TMA-18M Backup Crew patch on eBay. Will either of the Russian crew members on this backup patch replace Sarah Brightman for this mission?

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posted 06-10-2015 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are no names in that backup patch (which, by the way, is one of our early versions with a mistake on it — Baikonur is not written correctly). This is not the patch for the new crew — it was the back up patch for the Brightman flight.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 06-10-2015 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Many thanks for the information on this TMA-18M patch Erik. As I can't read Russian Cyrillic I had no idea what was written at the bottom of this patch. I just assumed that the words were the names of the back-up cosmonauts for this mission.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 06-10-2015 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On every back up patch we produced since the first in 2009, there are no names. Since we do not know who will fly in the event a crew is replaced. Since 2011 or 2012 "we" put the year of the mission and cosmodrome Baikonur on the back up patch. We made an error with the TMA-12M back up patch, wrong year, and now with the TMA-18M the B of Baikonur was wrong. So yes it's a rare patch on eBay since the back up crew will wear corrected patches.

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posted 06-10-2015 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To add a little to this subject: the back up crew patches serve two purposes. They are primarily meant to be worn by the back up crew in that function. In the case of a last minute replacement, they can also be worn during the flight. This is why they do not have names.

In the past, entire Soyuz crews would be replaced. But with crew members specifically trained for roles such as ISS Expedition Commander, for instance, the choice could be to only replace one of them.

Why didn't we use the back up patch for the new crew this time? Simply because there was enough time to make a new one. We will of course always try to do that!

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According to my information, Volkov showed yesterday to Mogensen and to Aimbetov their logo with Aimbetov's name on it and they gave GO! for the new crew's patch embroidering. Finally!

Jacques van Oene
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posted 06-24-2015 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new updated crew patch:

Credit: Roscosmos/spacepatches.nl

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posted 07-03-2015 07:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jacques, why don't you sell for us collectors the backup's corrected patch at a reasonable price? Some sellers in Russia are too much "gourmand" with their prices for the patches you produce! They like easy money...

Jacques van Oene
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posted 07-03-2015 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Everybody who is interested in a patch or back-up patch is always welcome to contact me at: mail@spacepatches.nl

But keep in mind that the back-up patches are rare and I have only 10 or 15 for sale of each mission.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 07-03-2015 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Russian:
Some sellers in Russia are too much "gourmand" with their prices for the patches you produce!
Yes I see what you mean, the revised design TMA-18M back-up crew patch with 2015 at bottom centre and the corrected 'B' in Baikonur, is listed with a start price of $75.

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posted 07-03-2015 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only one I can find right now is listed on eBay at a starting price of $35 from a seller in Russia.

Kevin T. Randall
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That is the one which had a start price of $75 Jim. It looks like he read this post and has lowered his start price to $35.

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posted 07-05-2015 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The patch ended up selling for $35. I'm a little surprised. Seems quite low.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 07-06-2015 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The same Russian seller has listed another example of this 'correct' TMA-18M back-up patch for the same $35 start price.

Jacques has listed his TMA-9M through to TMA-17M (less TMA-12M) back-up patches with a start price of $25 and a Buy It Now price of $50.

There are a number of other Russian sellers that are also listing Spacepatches.nl and TsENKI patches for sale on eBay.

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