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Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-11-2014 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ISS Expedition 46 mission patch

The International Space Station's (ISS) Expedition 46 begins with the scheduled undocking of Soyuz TMA-17M in November 2015. New crew members will arrive shortly thereafter on Soyuz TMA-18M.

ISS Expedition 46 will be commanded by NASA astronaut Scott Kelly. His crewmates, all flight engineers, include: Roscosmos cosmonauts Mikhail Korniyenko, Sergey Volkov and Yuri Malenchenko, NASA astronaut Tim Kopra and European Space Agency astronaut Tim Peake.

The 46 icon in the foreground of the patch represents the forty-sixth expedition mission to the International Space Station.

Earth is depicted at the top with the flags of the countries of origin of the crew members: United States, Russia and the United Kingdom. The Union flag of the UK is displayed in a position of prominence in recognition of the significance of the first British ESA astronaut (Tim Peake) to fly in space.

The outer border is in the shape of a triangle with an unbroken border, symbolizing the infinite journey of discovery for past, present and future space explorers. The names of the six Expedition 46 astronauts and cosmonauts are shown in the border.

keith.wilson
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posted 08-11-2014 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keith.wilson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like the concept for this patch but the position of the crew names gives it an 'unbalanced' 'untidy' look. Might have been better to have kept the two long names (Malenchenko and Korniyenko) apart.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 08-14-2014 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Patch description and artwork added above, courtesy ESA.

GoesTo11
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posted 08-24-2014 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by keith.wilson:
The position of the crew names gives it an 'unbalanced' 'untidy' look. Might have been better to have kept the two long names (Malenchenko and Korniyenko) apart.
I agree. Is there some protocol for name placement that's being followed here? Because from a purely aesthetic view, it sure looks odd.

The patch is *meh* anyway. I'm generally of the "less-is-more" school, but this design is just less being... less. I was hoping for something more memorable for the launch of ESA's first British astronaut.

hoorenz
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posted 08-24-2014 05:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, it looks as if somewhere in the process, the Russian and American flags (and the names) were switched, in order to get commander Kelly's name in the first position. Subsequently, the short names ended up on the left side of the patch, where is a lot of room; the longer Russian names ended up on the right side where the 46 icon is in the way. It would have been so much better to have it the other way, but in that case, the Russian flag and a Russian name would have taken the prime position in the upper left corner... Of course, what makes matters worse, is that it was probably designed with the shorter name ЗАЛЁТИН instead of МАЛЕНЧЕНКО.

KSCartist
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posted 08-24-2014 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The names could have been mixed like we did on Exp 34. Placement tied to the flags does make it unbalanced. But this crew likes simple. Wait until you see the 47 patch.

Bill Nelson
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posted 09-18-2014 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Nelson   Click Here to Email Bill Nelson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If Scotland votes for independence, this patch will probably have to be changed.

KAPTEC
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posted 09-18-2014 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only if the UK changes the flag, Bill...

dcfowler1
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posted 09-19-2014 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dcfowler1   Click Here to Email dcfowler1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moot point.

Kevin T. Randall
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posted 09-19-2014 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin T. Randall   Click Here to Email Kevin T. Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All is well, Scotland has voted for NO change to the United Kingdom, so there will be no change to the Union Jack flag.

KAPTEC
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posted 09-19-2014 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news... from my personal point of view.

SleeBaudrons
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posted 09-20-2014 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleeBaudrons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad news from mine, friends.

KAPTEC
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posted 09-20-2014 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry. I deeply respect your way of thinking but do not share it. I live in Spain, and I think that you can understand me.

A cordial greeting.

SleeBaudrons
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posted 09-20-2014 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SleeBaudrons     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I understand, friend.

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posted 09-22-2014 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tykeanaut   Click Here to Email Tykeanaut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I picked up an excellent one from Spaceboosters at Autographica on Saturday for £5.

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posted 10-13-2014 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Frankly speaking I have some doubts about this design...

Hardly see Russians accepting it on the Sokol space suit. I was told Malenchenko haven't seen the logo before its approval.

hoorenz
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posted 10-13-2014 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it because it looks too much (in both symbology and colors - and it is not just me, other people who saw the design for the first time had the same reaction) like it came straight from WW2?

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posted 10-13-2014 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Russian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes! Total recall.

Panther494
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posted 10-23-2014 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Noticed on the AB Emblem website that they've been asked by NASA to cease production of this patch...

JBoe
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posted 10-23-2014 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JBoe   Click Here to Email JBoe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked out the site (AB Emblem) and read the "disclaimer." Would it be worthwhile to purchase (if able to) this "outdated" version in the meantime? Is there something that's significantly wrong with the design or crewmember change?

hoorenz
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posted 10-23-2014 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny how AB Emblem is 'marketing' this: "624 of 625 patches left", and the price is now up to $10.

As noted earlier in this thread, the problem with this patch is probably the '46'. It somewhat resembles symbology associated with far- and extreme-right organizations. (Including, and this might be of some importance, the Social-National Assembly of Ukraine and their "Azov Battalion", a paramilitary detachment fighting the pro-Russian rebels).

KAPTEC
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posted 10-23-2014 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG!

hoorenz
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posted 10-23-2014 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no official confirmation that this is the real reason for the redesign, Jorge. And I doubt if NASA will ever give it. But what is interesting, is that this comes less than two weeks after the flight patches have been delivered to Russia...

KAPTEC
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posted 10-23-2014 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Didn't they see it before?

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-23-2014 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone should put together a flight jacket/flightsuit of all the changed ISS expedition patches, starting with Expedition 6. Bet that would raise some eyebrows at the next astronaut presentation.

Ronpur
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posted 10-23-2014 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, crap, as a collector of WW2 memorabilia, I can not believe I didn't notice this before. How fast can a redesign be put into production?

hoorenz
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posted 10-24-2014 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KAPTEC:
Didn't they see it before?
I am under the impression that approval and production of this patch was somewhat rushed by NASA. Only in mid-July, they seem to have realized that commander Kelly's name was on it and that it had to be ready at the same time (August) as the 44 and 45 patches (which were already approved for production/distribution in late June).

justin13
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posted 10-26-2014 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for justin13   Click Here to Email justin13     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This seems to happen every 10 expeditions or so. I look forward to seeing the adjustments made to this design...

hoorenz
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posted 10-27-2014 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by justin13:
This seems to happen every 10 expeditions or so.
From the top of my head:
  • Exp.6: Crew change (Pettit for Thomas)
  • Exp.7 (2x): Crew changes (Kaleri for Moschenko / Columbia accident)
  • Exp.13: Crew change (Late addition of Reiter)
  • Exp.23: Orientation of Russian flag
  • Exp.24: Mistake in Russian name
  • Exp.25: Mistakes in Russian names
  • Exp.26: Mistake in Russian name
  • Exp.31: Poor interpretation of original artwork prompts privately funded patches for onboard suits
  • Exp.36 (3x): Patch not approved by Russian ISS commander / mistake in Russian names (caught before mass production) / new mistake in Russian name
  • Exp.37: Patch not approved by Russian ISS commander
  • Exp.43: Crew change (Padalka for Lonchakov)
  • Exp.46: Rejected by Roscosmos due to inappropriate symbology

(Exp.15 and 17 had multiple name versions, but those were already designed/produced in advance for several crew options; corrected patches for Exp.13 and 17 were produced after these flights by AB Emblem due to the omission of the German flag/mistake in Russian name respectively.)

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 10-27-2014 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They should use the generic ISS shield patch and a red and gold box underneath with "Expedition TK," whatever number it is. (Perhaps flipping the shield so the point is on top and the red and gold box can butt up against the bottom of the ISS patch.) There's more issues with ISS patches than the shuttle patches!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-27-2014 10:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NASA proposed to the international partners adopting a generic ISS expedition patch on at least two occasions over the past 14 years, in part due to the issues with crew changes. A generic design was reportedly created, but to my knowledge has not been seen publicly.

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posted 10-27-2014 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The generic patch is actually already part of the official policy: if an ISS commander is not able to reach consensus with his crew about a crew logo at least 18 months before the flight (not sure if that is Soyuz launch or start of Expedtion) a generic design will be used, as decided by the Mutilateral Crew Operations Panel in June of 2012.

Most of the problems do not stem from crew changes (43 is the only recent example) but from mistakes made by NASA during the design-, approval- and production process.

hoorenz
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posted 01-20-2015 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the new Expedition 46 patches in hand and can confirm that the only thing changed in the artwork is the 46. Names are in the same place, it is still not the greatest patch ever, but it is much more balanced. Also, the embroidered patch now has an overlock border.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 01-20-2015 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a (low resolution) preview of the new Expedition 46 patch:

keith.wilson
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posted 01-20-2015 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for keith.wilson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like a 'Man From UNCLE' id badge! No real thought has been given to this patch — if anything it looks even worse now. As a UK citizen I am disappointed that the first flight by a UK ESA astronaut will be represented by this poor mission patch.

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posted 01-20-2015 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh dear, what a disappointment. I thought the original was very bland and lacked visual impact. I'd hoped a total re-design would take place.

This reminds me of the TV show 'The Prisoner' "I'm not a number"...

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posted 01-21-2015 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for carl walker     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Keith, don't be too disappointed, the ESA Principia patches will be ready soon!

hoorenz
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posted 01-22-2015 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott Kelly was wearing the new patch during the State of the Union address.

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posted 01-30-2015 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SPACEFACTS   Click Here to Email SPACEFACTS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The new high resolution version is here.

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