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Zuul
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posted 04-25-2012 07:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zuul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I acquired this at an estate sale.

I would like to make a US version to go with it. Can anyone identify what the corresponding NASA patches would be?

FullThrottle
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posted 04-25-2012 07:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FullThrottle   Click Here to Email FullThrottle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can identify the two easy ones, I've seen two of the other ones but I'm not exactly sure what they represent.

The bottom left patch is the SOYUZ/APOLLO Russian design. The opposite would be the US version of the APOLLO/SOYUZ mission.

The most obvious is the center patch, its polar opposite would be a United States flag.

Spaceguy5
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posted 04-25-2012 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceguy5   Click Here to Email Spaceguy5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Upper right-hand is an early Salyut patch. Here's an example of an embroidered patch, courtesy of Spacepatches.nl. A good counter-part would probably be Skylab.

Lower right-hand is for Interkosmos (ИнтерКосмос in Cyrillic). There's also a version of the patch with the Latin alphabet (As seen on Sigmund Jaehn's suit). I'm not really sure what a good counter-part would be.

The upper left-hand is the coat of arms of the Soviet Union. I found an image of an example on a jacket used on Salyut 5. A good counter would probably be the Great Seal of the United States, though astronauts never wore them. However there are patches of it available online.

Gonzo
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posted 04-25-2012 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The lower-right is indeed Intercosmos. You have to remember, the Russian space program was never centralized as NASA always has been. Rather, the Russian space program was run by several different (and often competing) agencies. Intercosmos was one of them and was responsible for many manned and historic missions. Roscosmos and Glavscosmos are two (of several) others. So for an American equivalent to Intercosmos, the closest I think you could get would be either the NACA wings or the original NASA meatball.

The upper-left I also agree is the Russian coat of arms. Again, since there is no "American" coat of arms, I would think the closest could be the Presidential Seal. But even that wouldn't be a real equivalent. Perhaps someone else many have a better suggestion?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-25-2012 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Gonzo:
Rather, the Russian space program was run by several different (and often competing) agencies. Intercosmos was one of them and was responsible for many manned and historic missions.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that Intercosmos was the title given to the flights of foreign payloads and astronauts on Russian boosters, not a separate division within the Soviet space program.

johntosullivan
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posted 04-25-2012 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for johntosullivan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think this was framed by someone who didn't appreciate the history represented by the patches. Interkosmos visited Salyut stations (and Mir). Apollo Soyuz did not.

Why mix these patches? Why ignore Mir? Someone just framed some Soviet patches without realising what they had.

Here is my display of Apollo-Soyuz patches:

hoorenz
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posted 04-25-2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, of course, these are not really Soviet patches. They are western reproductions (Stewart Aviation). The Salyut patch is not really a Salyut logo. It is the logo of Zvezda, the manufacturer of the Sokol space suits and several other flight gear.

Gonzo
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posted 04-25-2012 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gonzo   Click Here to Email Gonzo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Perhaps I am mistaken, but I was under the impression that Intercosmos was the title given to the flights of foreign payloads and astronauts on Russian boosters, not a separate division within the Soviet space program.
Robert, I would never argue with you. You certainly know more than most of us on here (me included). And you are right.

Intercosmos was a program designed for foreign cosmonauts and other foreign satellites on Russian boosters and occurred during the Cold War. However, it was only one of many programs that all competed and what made up the same "Russian Space Program" as a whole, many of which didn't even agree on their common goals. Intercosmos was intended for politically aligned countries, although this wasn't always the case either.

In any event, at any given time, there could have been several different agencies all viewing for the same limited resources that made up the "Russian Space Program". And what I was trying to point out was that Intercosmos was just one of these.

All I was trying to do was give some background info to the OP about the patch he has in his post. I wanted to let him know that there were others like it from other agencies/programs. Which I thought was the crux of his question.

dcfowler1
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posted 04-25-2012 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dcfowler1   Click Here to Email dcfowler1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interestingly I created the art for the Soviet patches in this set in the mid-1980s (I no longer recall who manufactured them).

They were based on the best-available (at that time) photographs I could find in books and magazines of these patches. I think they still mostly hold up quality-wise, except for the pentagonal Soyuz-Apollo patch, which I found in photographs later on had bowed, rather than straight sides.

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