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paulgotit
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posted 05-19-2011 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for paulgotit   Click Here to Email paulgotit     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just picked up a load of shuttle patches, and I cannot find info on which ones I have, much less if they are foreign copies or legit.

Any recommendations?

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posted 05-19-2011 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you post a few pics to spur discussion?

Shuttle mission patches really haven't been "reproduced," but there have been several makers of them over the years. And, several of those makers have produced several different versions.

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posted 05-19-2011 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check out these references:

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posted 05-19-2011 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by benguttery:
Shuttle mission patches really haven't been "reproduced," but there have been several makers of them over the years.
Ben, can you clarify what you meant by this?

It's my understanding that unlike during Apollo, for the length of the shuttle program, all 135 missions, the only NASA-authorized space shuttle patch provider has been AB Emblem.

Therefore by definition, any other patch makers — from Lion Brothers to Tom Foley (Cape Kennedy Mint) to the late Randy Hunt Wagner (Eagle One Aerospace/Cargo Bay Emblems) — have been producing reproductions for souvenir sale.

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posted 05-19-2011 11:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Therefore by definition, any other patch makers — from Lion Brothers to Tom Foley (Cape Kennedy Mint) to the late Randy Hunt (Eagle One Aerospace/Cargo Bay Emblems) — have been producing reproductions for souvenir sale.
Sure it was just a typo, but Randy Wagner from Virginia (the Randy with the "Gold", "Silver" etc. member system who was clear about the fact he produced the patches/reproductions himself and was also a serious collector of original personal Shuttle astronaut patches) was Eagle One Aerospace (EOA). In the final stages of his illness and following his death, his wife operated some time under the name Cargo Bay Emblems and eBay nickname 4sons. Although he sometimes lost track of what you ordered and what you had paid for, he was a very good guy.

Randy Hunt from Florida, who wanted his buyers to believe his reproductions were "rare" and "from the collection of a friend", who always tried to explain "copyright" as the right for anybody to copy anything, and when in his rush to make money made mistakes in the names of astronauts just told you "it is not a mistake, his/her name is also written like that", who would try to convince you that even though you were the designer of a patch, he had found someone who had "also designed it", was eBay's 4gator or, on the web, Patches-etc.

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posted 05-20-2011 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hoorenz:
Sure it was just a typo...
Thanks Erik, for catching my error and my apologies for the confusion.

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posted 05-20-2011 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can not get enough chances to emphasize the difference between the two Randy's.

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posted 05-20-2011 08:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AB Emblem says they are "the official supplier to NASA for all of their mission patches since 1961." I am not sure that is entirely true, but we will leave that for another discussion. I don’t think they made any of the Gemini patches, for example.

If we take a typical shuttle mission, by far the most common are those made by AB. Great quality patches. Tom Foley of Cape Kennedy Mint has also made many, if not all, mission patches. These are the ones we find at souvenir stores. I have a lot of them too.

Yes Robert, I would agree that anything not made by the AB is a reproduction.

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posted 05-20-2011 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Swiss Artex have also produced versions of the Shuttle patches and judging by the packaging I've seen over the years they were apparently the sole supplier of Shuttle patches to the KSC gift shop for a significant period of time (and may still be today for all I know).

These may well be 'reproductions' but there's certainly nothing illicit about them if they're the versions sold at NASA sites to the public.

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posted 05-20-2011 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't wait until Chris includes all shuttle mission patches on his web site, so we can see each makers version side-by-side. Yes, this is a hint.

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posted 05-20-2011 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by benguttery:
AB Emblem says they are "the official supplier to NASA for all of their mission patches since 1961."
According to the Conrad Industries website:
1961
E. Henry Conrad made the first official NASA patch, known as "the meatball".

1969
A-B Emblem becomes the sole contractor for Nasa for all space patches, with the launch of Apollo 11.

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posted 05-22-2011 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman   Click Here to Email spaceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Somewhere in the debate there needs to be some clarification between AB Emblem supplied and AB Emblem manufactured?

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posted 05-22-2011 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Go4Launch   Click Here to Email Go4Launch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This claim is incorrect. A-B Emblem was selected as the recommended contractor on February 12, 1970. A-B returned the signed contract (NAS 9-10578) to MSC on February 24. NASA placed Delivery Order No. 1 for 1,000 Apollo 13 emblems that same day.

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posted 05-22-2011 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's been my understanding. AB has made patches forever, but got the nod to be the official maker in 1970.

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