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Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-26-2011 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ISS Expedition 30 insignia

Expedition 30 marks the International Space Station's (ISS) 30th long duration mission.

Expedition 30 begins with Soyuz TMA-02M undocking in November 2011. Three new crew members arrive shortly thereafter with Soyuz TMA-03M.

  • NASA astronauts Dan Burbank, commander; and Don Pettit
  • Roscosmos cosmonauts Anton Shkaplerov, Anatoly Ivanishin and Oleg Kononenko
  • European Space Agency (ESA) astronaut André Kuipers
Expedition 30 mission patch

The International Space Station program is completing the transition from assembly to full utilization as humankind celebrates the golden anniversary of human space exploration.

In recognition of these milestones and especially of the contributions of those whose dedication and ingenuity make spaceflight possible, a fully assembled ISS is depicted rising above a sunlit earth limb. Eastward of the sunlit limb, the distinctive portrayal of the earth's surface illuminated by nighttime city lights is a reminder of mankind's presence on the planet, most readily apparent from space only by night, and commemorates how humans have transcended their earthly bonds throughout the preceding 50 years of space exploration.

The ISS, a unique space-based outpost for research in biological, physical, space and earth sciences, is an impressive testament to the tremendous teamwork of the engineers, scientists and technicians from 14 countries and five national space agencies.

The six crewmembers of Expedition 30, like those who have gone before them, are honored to represent their countries and the international ISS team in conducting research aboard the ISS and adding to the body of knowledge that will enable the world's space faring countries to more safely and more productively live, work and explore outer space, paving the way for future missions beyond low earth orbit, and inspiring young people to join in this great adventure.

The patch was designed by Tim Gagnon and Jorge Cartes working with Expedition 30 commander Dan Burbank.

NavySpaceFan
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posted 04-26-2011 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NavySpaceFan   Click Here to Email NavySpaceFan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another winner! The blue and gold color scheme does not surprise me since CAPT Burbank wears wings of gold.

hoorenz
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posted 04-26-2011 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice work Tim and Jorge!

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posted 04-26-2011 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LM-12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ISS-30 patch is very cool. The Earth looks real compared to the ISS-35 design. I guess ISS-30 will be the first post-Shuttle Expedition since all six crew members will launch after STS-135.

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posted 04-26-2011 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ejectr   Click Here to Email ejectr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent patch. Really nice.

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posted 04-26-2011 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fezman92   Click Here to Email Fezman92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice patch.

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 04-26-2011 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great design Tim and Jorge. Like it very much!

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-26-2011 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The official patch description has been added above.

Tom
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posted 04-26-2011 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great job Tim and Jorge!

Not many flight crew patches use "lower case" lettering... I believe only previous ones are STS-41G and STS-75.

Mike Z
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posted 04-26-2011 07:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Z   Click Here to Email Mike Z     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's a really a beautiful patch that tells the story about ISS. Congratulations Tim and Jorge!! Well done!!

Henry Heatherbank
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posted 04-26-2011 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henry Heatherbank     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tom:
I believe only previous ones are STS-41G and STS-75.
In Apollo, 12 and 14 also used lower case.

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posted 04-26-2011 11:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Another great one, guys!

Henry Heatherbank
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posted 04-27-2011 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Henry Heatherbank     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is certainly something very striking about the use of the roman numeral "X" on a patch, of course first used on Gemini X, designed (I think) by Young's wife.

The use of the "X" on Apollo 10 was visually very striking - and in my opinion the best use of a roman numeral on any patch.

The "XXX" for ISS-30 is fabulous. For mine however, I think this patch lacks a bit of colour and is a bit depressing. Could have been more uplifting if the sunrise were akin to ISS-35 released the other day.

And use of lower case letters for crew names is - on this patch - a great touch.

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posted 04-27-2011 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PowerCat   Click Here to Email PowerCat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely awesome design. Love the features! Great job Tim and Jorge!!

Ken Havekotte
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posted 04-27-2011 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice artwork, Tim and Jorge, for ISS/Expedition 30. This is perhaps one of my favorite Expedition crew logo designs and I'll be looking forward to getting our NASA supply of decal stickers. I'll save a bunch for you both. Great work, guys, as usaual!

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posted 04-27-2011 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
GORGEOUS!!!

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posted 04-30-2011 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for heng44   Click Here to Email heng44     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, it is good to see the name of our Dutch André Kuipers on a patch again!

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posted 06-26-2011 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for QuiGon Grin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love the continents outlined by “city” lights. A very unique and interesting artistic choice. Blue and gold? I’ll have to calibrate my screen as its looks purple and yellow to me, which would have been another interesting choice and unique choice.

Now for my typical question-the meaning of the thirteen stars and there arrangement?

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posted 06-27-2011 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daughters and sons of the crew... without a special order but the presence of a couple of them at the side: Our little sign. Have a look to older artworks...

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posted 07-08-2011 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Skyforce1   Click Here to Email Skyforce1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at the patch closeup and it's a winner! Absolutely gorgeous! Kudos to Tim and Jorge on another fine patch!

hoorenz
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posted 09-09-2011 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know why the name of Burbank is in a larger font? (Compare the 'r' and the 'u' in his name to that of Kuipers). Is it because he will be the Expedition commander? (Or is it just my imagination?)

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posted 09-09-2011 07:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can say that when I placed the names on the patch, they were all the same size. But I can see what you mean. Dan's name does look bigger.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 09-09-2011 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Burbank is in a slightly larger font to the other names. I suspect it may have been done to balance the layout between his name and Shkaplerov.

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posted 09-09-2011 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry but ALL the names were in the same size in our artwork. We NEVER made any name bigger than other. And I know very well of what I am talking...

Jacques van Oene
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posted 09-10-2011 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So how does it come that the name is bigger then?

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posted 09-10-2011 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jacques, ask to the Houston graphic guys... I made personally the lower case letters. And all the names were in the same size in two fonts: one for the latin names and one for the cyrillic's. But in the same size.

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So JSC messed up your artwork? That is strange to chance things that were made by an artist... Something like, hey I do not like this in a Rembrandt painting let me change this, might look better! Very strange... Sorry to hear this Jorge.

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posted 09-10-2011 04:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jorge is better than Rembrandt! Honestly, it is a pretty small mistake. I was not even sure I saw it right, so it would have probably gone unnoticed.

Looking closer at it, I think I have found a possible explanation.

By redrawing the letters, they must have started at Burbank's name, which did fit in nicely with the chosen font size.

When they moved to the next name (probably Shkaplerov) they were suddenly confronted with the cyrillic 'p' in his name, a so called 'descending' letter, which has a portion below the baseline.

This would not have fit, so they chose a smaller font and continued using it. This way, Kuipers' name also did fit in. Then, they probably simply forgot to change Burbank as well.

Why NASA changes the art at all, is a mystery to me. It can not be the quality of the original art. Maybe the NASA contractor gets hours assigned to draw logo's and simply does it to have a job.

Or, maybe, it is because of copyright issues. By redrawing and slightly changing the logo, the original becomes a draft, to which maybe other rules apply, while the final product is completely under NASA control. I have really no idea.

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posted 09-10-2011 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not know which was the matter (and thank you so much, Erik: remember me that I due you some beers to drink together sometime in somewhere when finally we could met each other).

When drawing the names, I take special care in fit the Capital letters just between both blue lines, leaving space enough in their base for Russian letters or Kuiper's & Skaplerov's "p"...

Really I offered them the vector version of the patch but they never answered me... If you go to the official NASA page of the emblem, it is not a vector drawing this time.

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posted 09-10-2011 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here with Expedition-31. We delivered picture perfect, super sharp vector art (the image EAC released in a low resolution the other day). NASA did not use it. Instead, they chose to completely draw the logo again. Among the mistakes / changes they introduced, were again some that involved the fonts. Maybe these have been repaired in their - yet to be released - final version, but one that stands out (Pettit's name not being on a curve) ended up in the final version of the AB Emblem patch. Totally unnecessary, because good art was available.

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posted 09-10-2011 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Speculating, but the problem (if you can call it that) might be that NASA and its international partners need more than just vector art. I know from seeing past graphic files, Pantone color assignments are required (as may be CMYK color palette versions, rather than RGB). Color-separated files (or layers) may also be needed.

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posted 09-10-2011 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bob, that was that I offered them: a separated layer of each part of the draft... And this is what I have here kept in my PC. What more do they need?

Anyway it has been a minor problem, I think, and we do not want to give it more importance that the one it has.

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posted 09-10-2011 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Jorge. Rockets do not fail because of patches with wrong fonts or changed colors. Still, it is disappointing to see a 'draft' version that is better than the final product, especially when it also affects the quality of the patches for the crew... Enough for now!

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posted 09-10-2011 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love this hobby... and your support and friendship. Thank you Erik.

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posted 09-10-2011 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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