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Posts: 547
From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2005

posted 04-28-2010 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As seen on eBay, "Space, The Final Frontier Cloth Patches" by David and Iris Duke:
This catalog identifies over 2300 patches of the space programs. Up to 14 pictures per page, has a table of contents, item location index and a source for patches. The Foreign section has 574 patches from Australia to Russia, it has sections for Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, STS and ISS, 22 sections in all.

Mike Z

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From: Ellicott City, Maryland
Registered: Dec 2005

posted 04-28-2010 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Z   Click Here to Email Mike Z     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I looked on Amazon and Google to find out more about this book, the authors and publisher. I couldn't find anything at all. It looks like a great book.

Robert Pearlman

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posted 04-28-2010 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe the book is being self-compiled rather than formally bound and published, hence its availability through eBay. I believe the seller is the author (David Duke).


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From: The Netherlands
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posted 04-29-2010 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A very nice initiative! I still have to receive my copy, but from what I have seen so far, this could well become the standard 'identification guide' for patch collecting. Especially for beginning collectors, it would be nice to have some sort of reference.

I do hope 'reprints' / additions will be possible in the future, based on reader's comments. That way, for instance, meaningless patches such as the fake TMA-14 variant I see appear in one of the example pages without any commentary, could be explained.

Maybe, by adopting the numbering system this book is introducing, we could discuss patches in forums like this in a better way.

It could also be a good starting point for identifying patches by Randy Hunt and Eagle One Aerospace - something proposed here earlier.

New Member

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From: Republic, MO, USA
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posted 04-29-2010 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eaglenet2000   Click Here to Email eaglenet2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The book is a self published book, I have been collecting since the start of the space program over 30 years and have put all this in the form of a book, listing 14 pictures per page with the ID of each patch, I have also acquired information from many other sources, Canadian Space Agency, Russia, NASA patch suppliers and many other collectors. I use this information to compile the book with color pictures. I am selling the book for $40, mailed in the US priority flat rate. You can get more information from


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posted 04-30-2010 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to collectSPACE David...

Is the book published/printed on glossy pages? Several online book publishers offer to make any book on glossy pages with or without a hardcover... So if enough cSers would be interested we could go for a limited hardcover edition of about 50... a bit like Ed did with his paintings book in 2008!


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posted 05-05-2010 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Apollo-Soyuz   Click Here to Email Apollo-Soyuz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I highly recommend this patch catalog be added to your space library. It shows the variety of patches collected.


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From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
Registered: Feb 2005

posted 05-06-2010 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received and spent a lot of time with my copy of this yesterday. It is very impressive and makes some significant progress in the patch collecting world. It isn't perfect, but it makes up a lot of ground since that Space Patches book by Kaplan and Muniz (whoever they were) in 1986.


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From: The Netherlands
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posted 05-10-2010 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my copy.

Appearance: The book is printed on regular xerox type paper, printed with color bubblejet - so not very sharp. Images are not very large either (the size of large stamps). Sometimes it is hard to make out the differences between multiple versions of a patch. Typical characteristics, such as stitch direction and techniques (just think of the Lion Brothers' NASA worm versus the AB Emblem) are not visible.

Three holes have been shot through all pages, so the book can be put into a 3-ring binder by the user him/herself. Maybe for international customers, it is better not to do this. I happened to be lucky and have some leftover 3-ring binders from past projects, but this is a typical US system. In my country for instance, 4 or 23 ring binders are the common thing. 3-ring binders are not even available.

Contents: First of all, let me say that I really appreciate the effort by David and Iris Duke. I think we all agree some sort of catalogue should be put together to capture our common knowledge for future generations. It would be a nightmare to see, in maybe 100 years or so, fake patches being considered as real. This book is a nice initiative in that respect.

The book of David and Iris Duke, I am sorry to say, is not (yet?) the ultimate catalogue I envision. There are too many mistakes and omissions. This, and the realization that so many patches exist (the book is very thick and holds still only a fraction of the patches I know, so at least it is very good in getting that message across!) does convince me that a catalogue like this should better be realized as an online database, as a joint effort by multiple collectors.

It would make it possible to have quick discussions and correct mistakes instantly, so these do not start to live their own lives on a bookshelf. Also, larger pictures, showing more detail, would be very useful for collectors. Maybe it is not commercially attractive, but with all the work the Dukes put in printing and mailing these out, I do not think that is what they want to achieve in the first place.

As for the numbering system adopted, I do not think it is the most logical approach. Why not call several variations of the STS-6 patch STS-006-A, STS-006-B etc, instead of 1F-9, 1F-9A, 1F-9A1 etc.

Also, many of the patches do not list their designers. Whenever a designer is known, it would be nice to have that information available.

Then, for me, there are some unpleasant surprises, mostly connected to the fact that I see a lot of my own work of the past years copied and pasted (including my own mistakes). To narrow it down to one example: there is a page called "Where can you get these patches?" that is copied directly from our website In itself, this is not a problem. But in this case, it is a page that is no longer accessible online, for a reason. It is some 10 years old. Some of the sources mentioned, like Space Country Souvenirs, even asked us to be removed from the list, because they moved or do no longer have their shop.

Now, again, I think David and Iris have started something that can grow into something very useful for space patch collectors. A lot of work still has to be done though to achieve that. I am not sure many of us are willing to keep paying up to 40 dollars for (low quality) printed updates several times before that goal is reached.

My advise: move online and seek the help and knowledge of your fellow collectors!


spaced out

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posted 05-10-2010 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have a copy of this publication so I can't comment directly on it, but regarding Erik's comments above however, I have to agree that online resources work well as catalogs of this kind of thing. The ability to host large images (more detailed than could reasonably be included in print), and the ability to make updates at any time are just two major advantages I can think of.

Of course there's a strong temptation to publish a book of some kind because it's a potential source of income for what can be a very expensive hobby. As I've built up my space patch sites over the years I've often considered this myself but in the end I've stuck with the online versions, even if it does mean no financial return for my efforts (such as they are).

That's not to say that this project or any other is not a good idea. I'm sure this book provides a good summary of space patches, and I certainly look forward to John Bisney's forthcoming book, which I'm sure will be much more than a simple guide to identifying patches.


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From: Fort Worth, TX, USA
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posted 05-10-2010 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This weekend I tried to study this book and make some comments to provide to David on his fine work. I actually thought about writing my comments in the book and sending it back, but I ain’t giving my copy up to anyone! I agree with all the comments made above by Erik and Chris. There is a lot more that can be done, but it really cannot be done by one person. The group approach will work very well, but just needs an editor/monitor like Robert does with collectSPACE. Or, as some of the big collectors in this area to mark up their book with comments and send them back with the promise a new edition, when done. I’d guess there are perhaps 6 people in World that possess 90% of the knowledge on this topic.

My comments:

  1. Numbering system is too complicated.
  2. Show patches only once.
  3. Remove metal insignia.
  4. Remove non-space insignia (F-15, other military aircraft)
  5. Explain acronyms and provide a brief write up on programs with patch. For example, explain what TDRS is and what it does/did.
I would certainly recommend making these improvements before producing more editions. Get it right now and it will stand for years. I’d cease the coverage of the publication with 2010 for example and in ten years put out a new book with updates. I would also look to some print on demand services for self publishing for better print quality or collector book publishers.

I've also heard Bisney is working on a patch book. I don’t really know what he is putting together. It could be full of details or a simple identification guide. I think this Duke work would do very well to focus on being an identification guide.

Again, three cheers for the work!

butch wilks

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From: Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 05-11-2010 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for butch wilks   Click Here to Email butch wilks     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I got my copy of the book today and I love it. But my comments are:
  1. show the patches bigger.
  2. remove non-space insignia
  3. add bullion type patches (I have a number of space related patches)
  4. I would add to the write ups
All in all a very good book. Well done David.

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