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Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-27-2006 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

From the designer of the Skylab 2 "wives" patch:

The First Birthplace Emblem was an idea of Jacques Tiziou for the Discovery STS-121 crewmembers and designed with the help of Catherine Lari.

He is the Editor of JTNS (Jacques Tiziou News Service) in Washington DC . He graduated as an Aerospace Engineer, but after becoming a professional journalist. He has covered the Space Program since Sputnik 1 and first visited KSC and MSC in July 1962.

Catherine is responsible for Space Education for the French Paris School System. She is the creator, director and animator of the French "Club Apollo." She is presently in the US to cover the STS-121 mission and learn more about the US Space Program.

As he has done for many emblems since Apollo, and Skylab, Tiziou just copied the original crew patch and modified it. He made the emblem look more positive, with less black even if black is the color of Space. He drew a larger Space Shuttle Discovery, as seen after undocking from the ISS following a successful mission, ready to come back to Earth. He added atmospheric control flaps and what he thinks is the most important part of a Space Shuttle: A landing gear.

The names of the crewmembers were replaced by their actual birthplaces as mentioned in their NASA bios, not what they consider as their hometowns.

cspg
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posted 06-27-2006 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jaques Tiziou's name sounds familiar although I can't remember where from (I probably should since on this side of the Atlantic, most space info used to be in French for years- the web changed that considerably!). Does he have a web site? Never heard of his "alternate" Skylab 2" patch.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-27-2006 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may remember Tiziou from a similar post last year about his STS-114 tribute.

Tiziou's Skylab II wives patch can be seen and read about on the lower half of Gene Dorr's page about the mission or on spacepatches.info.

cspg
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posted 06-27-2006 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info (and remembering me which radio stations he work(ed?) for. I used to listen to both of them but I haven't heard him for a while.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 06-27-2006 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are the astronauts going to wear it? Or someone is going to put them aboard Discovery?

If both of them are NO, then this patch has no value (in my opinion). Everybody could have made this, would it be on this spot too?

Oh and I think in a couple of weeks you see lots of these patches on eBay, and then they are not made by JT.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-27-2006 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
Are the astronauts going to wear it?
No, but what sets apart Tiziou's designs from others is that they are made for the crew for their personal use (and I have personally seen past crew members with them). Not all emblems associated with a mission fly to space; that doesn't make them any less interesting.

benguttery
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posted 06-27-2006 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
....yawn....
Am holding out for the patch with the astronaut's dog's names. Looks like a lame attempt to make a buck.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-27-2006 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benguttery:
Looks like a lame attempt to make a buck.
To the best of my knowledge, Tiziou is neither selling nor offering the design for sale. It was made only for the crew's use and they are being given to them.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 06-27-2006 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benguttery:
Am holding out for the patch with the astronaut's dog's names. Looks like a lame attempt to make a buck.
Those patches for STS-69 and STS-88 were made at the request of the astronauts. I do not belive this JT patch is...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-27-2006 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
Eveybody could have made this, would it be on this spot too?
Jacques, your own web page for STS-121 displays at least three designs which are fantasy, i.e. were never made for or worn by the crew. Like Tiziou's emblem, they are variations on the official insignia. Unlike Tiziou's, they were designed and produced to sell to collectors.

Tiziou's emblem, while not official, does continue a tradition he started during Apollo and for which he received some attention. It was Tiziou's history and not necessarily the validity of this one design that I felt deemed it worthy for mention.

Jacques van Oene
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posted 06-27-2006 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Robert, I know... the emblems on my site are there to let others to see what kind of variations were made, only information to collectors (I'm not selling these)...

The JT patch will also soon be there, just like the other designs... pure for information... (but to me it has no value, just a design someone made, nothing more nothing less).

What I meant to say was, if someone else made a design based on a patch just like JT did, will you put it up on you site... since it also will be not an official patch... everybody can make these kind of patches... were do you draw the line...

Robert Pearlman
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posted 06-27-2006 05:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, as stated above, its Tiziou's history that merited the post, so unless there are others with as long a practice of creating alternate mission patches and who have seen some of their past designs fly to space, then I think the line has already been drawn.

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