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Robert Pearlman
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posted 12-09-2005 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex Panchenko posted photographs and details to his website of the (newly announced) Expedition 13 crew official emblem and proposed Soyuz TMA-8 patch.

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posted 12-13-2005 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that Expedition 13 patch really the "official patch" of the mission? What is the NASA status on it?

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posted 01-05-2006 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the crew's official Sokol portrait:

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posted 01-13-2006 07:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yesterday, during the Expedition 13 crew press conference in Houston on NASA TV, Marcus Pontes had shown his Soyuz TMA-8 patch and it was different then the Panchenko one! Does somebody have this picture?

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posted 01-13-2006 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
See our site and when asked by reporters the crew said that the TMA-8 patch was designed by Vinogradov, and so my guess is also Panchenko.

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posted 01-13-2006 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this the first time since early shuttle that a patch was not officially approved in conjunction with AB Emblem?

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It is interesting to note that the image of the 'official' patch has it with a yellow border with the word 'expedition' in English. Panchenko has two versions — a blue rimmed patch with 'expedition' in English for Williams and a red rimmed patch with 'expedition' in Russian for Vinogradov.

I have a feeling that we might well see AB Emblem producing the 'official' version with the yellow border at the usual price. However if you want the individual designs then Panckenko looks like the only option.

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posted 01-15-2006 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are now three different Soyuz TMA-8 patches made by Panchenko.

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posted 01-23-2006 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the name of Marcos Pontes' programme of Brazilian experiments during his mission on ISS next Match?

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I just got the prices from Alex Panchenko on the Soyuz TMA-8 patches. $150, sold in sets of three only! They are signed.

Ben
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He has been selling them individually unsigned on eBay for $24.99 each.

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posted 01-24-2006 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for johntosullivan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On TMA-8, why did Alex Panchenko issue the retro-style rocket patch, issue it for a photo shoot and then go on to produce the blue, red and silver TMA-8 patches?

At this stage it's not even two different designers competing to have their patch adopted, it's not the official NASA approved patch versus the patch designed by the cosmonauts' friend and worn during the flight. It's Panchenko vs. Panchenko.

If Alex is reading this I would like to hear the reason for all the patches.

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posted 01-24-2006 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pokey   Click Here to Email pokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can see their launch patch on Vinogradov's shoulder in their official portrait.

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posted 01-24-2006 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hunt   Click Here to Email Bill Hunt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's interesting that the TMA-8 patch in that picture is the blue-outlined version. They're both wearing it. Maybe that can be considered the official TMA-8 patch then?

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posted 01-24-2006 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pokey   Click Here to Email pokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm assuming that NASA saw the red outlined and blue outlined ISS-13 patches and told Vinogradov and Williams they could only go with one.

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What is the name of Marcos Pontes' programme of Brazilian experiments during his mission on ISS next Match?
The name is Centenário.

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posted 02-07-2006 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the topic of Expedition 13 patches, we received an e-mail from AB Emblem regarding their NASA-approved version of the emblem:
At this time, [NASA is] ordering only a limited amount of emblems, because there may be another crew member added to the team. This in turn, would add another name to the emblem... We plan at this time to make only those for which we have orders.

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posted 02-09-2006 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vinogradov was wearing another patch on his suit in Star City yesterday.

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posted 02-09-2006 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pokey   Click Here to Email pokey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The patch on Vinogradov's left chest is his personal patch.

He's from Siberia. It's the Earth from the vantage point of Siberia/Alaska with a star on his hometown. On the right is a polar bear with his front legs on the earth. Then there is the Big Dipper and Polaris star.

I think it says in Cyrillic "Vinogradov" and under then Pilot Cosmonaut. Saw it briefly a few weeks ago.

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posted 02-17-2006 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here a blown up version of Pontes' patch:

Also did anyone else see there are photos of Jeff Williams wearing a yellow/gold Exp-13 patch. So he is not wearing the blue bordered Panchenko patch. Now is he wearing an AB Emblem patch?

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posted 03-04-2006 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for michaelSN99   Click Here to Email michaelSN99     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anybody already seen a personal patch of Thomas Reiter's long duration mission as part of Exp. 13?

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posted 03-04-2006 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KAPTEC   Click Here to Email KAPTEC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Or has anyone seen the "new" Exp. 13 patch with Reiter's name on it?

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quote:
Originally posted by michaelSN99:
Has anybody already seen a personal patch of Thomas Reiter's long duration mission as part of Exp. 13?
Here it is from the European Space Agency.
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Originally posted by KAPTEC:
Or has anyone seen the "new" Exp. 13 patch with Reiter's name on it?
Here it is from NASA.

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Can anyone tell us more about this new Expedition 13 Patch with Thomas Reiter's name? Will there also be a official patch and sticker and when will they released?

Harald Kraenzel
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posted 04-03-2006 01:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have a look at Robert's statement at top of this page you can read the statement made by AB Emblem.

Personally I know from AB Emblem that they are awaiting information from NASA. After that there will be the normal process of approval by the astronauts which leads to the final version which will available for sale.

Concerning a date I have no idea because this depends on the time it needs for these steps.

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posted 07-06-2006 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Expedition 13 patch and crew photo were updated by NASA and released.

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posted 07-06-2006 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucspace   Click Here to Email lucspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting! Do we know if the crew took along copies of the new patch and who produced it and how do we get our hands on it?

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posted 07-06-2006 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AB Emblem has produced the new version of the patch (with Reiter).

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posted 07-06-2006 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Hunt   Click Here to Email Bill Hunt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice that AB has the new one ready so quickly.

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posted 07-06-2006 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
The Expedition 13 patch and crew photo were updated by NASA and released.
I'm kind of surprised they didn't design the patch showing the German flag originating from Florida.

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The new AB Emblem patch version offered for sale has Reiter's name, but not the German flag... an artefact or is this the version actually produced?

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posted 07-07-2006 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seems that the patch looks like what AB Emblem tells about it:
NASA has approved the Expedition 13 — 3 man crew emblem design adding the name Reiter in the lower part of the emblem. Thomas Reiter is joining the crew and will spend six months on the International Space Station. This brings the crew to three for the first time in three years. Other crew members already on station are Jeff Williams and Pavel Vinogradov.
Taking the two name version and add the name "Reiter."

The patch shown on a NASA site is here.

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I spoke with AB Emblem today, which in turn spoke with NASA yesterday. Apparently, the insignia artwork which shows the German flag is not the official NASA emblem; it was only created/altered in honor of Reiter's launch.

The official three-man insignia only adds Reiter's name and no other elements to the previously seen design. As such, AB Emblem's patch will only add Reiter's name. The version with the third flag will not be worn aboard the station nor ever produced as a patch, says AB Emblem.

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posted 07-14-2006 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This information indeed is interesting as all pictures of the new three-man patch I saw as of today show this third flag. Just for official meetings or presentations this "three flag" patch is shown.

Does anyone know a picture showing the patch AB Emblem now will make except the one shown on their internet site?

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It will be interesting to see if in any PAO event for the duration of Expedition 13 you see any or all crew members wearing a version with the German flag as well as Reiter's name.

This certainly adds a new and interesting wrinkle to patch collecting.

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Very strange indeed — I believe both AB Emblem and NASA PAO are wrong on this one!

The 'official' photos of the insignia and the crew on NASA and ESA websites show the three flag patch. The NASA description actually states: 'with trailing elements from the country flags representing each of the THREE crew members'.

The three flag patch is also visible in one of the recent downloaded photos from the ISS. The photo shows a welcome banner with the two flag insignia on the left and the three flag insignia on the right. See S121-E-05895 (6 July 2006).

Decals of the three flag patch have been available to the crew but I haven't to date seen an embroidered three flag patch being worn by the crew.

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The three name-three flag patch is on NASA TV, it's on NASA's website the crew is wearing it in the crew photo — it's on the welcome banner aboard ISS. That's enough proof for me to view it as official.

Someone at AB Emblem has decided that it would be too costly to create new patches due to the time sensitive nature of crew patches in general. Somewhere, someone will produce a faithful good quality embroidered patch with all three flags, and when they do I'll buy one.

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Originally posted by KSCartist:
Someone at AB Emblem has decided that it would be too costly to create new patches due to the time sensitive nature of crew patches in general.
While I can certainly see why this might be the perception, it does not work that way.

NASA is AB Emblem's prime customer when it comes to these patches, and its the space agency which dictates what is to be produced and when (for proof of this, you only need to remember the recent delays experienced by AB Emblem delivering mission and expedition patches because NASA hadn't yet approved the artwork).

That said, I did go back to AB Emblem today and provided them with evidence (some of which was raised by this thread) that their NASA contact is mistaken. I'll share how they respond, if and when they do.

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posted 07-15-2006 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Harald Kraenzel   Click Here to Email Harald Kraenzel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
NASA is AB Emblem's prime customer when it comes to these patches, and its the space agency which dictates what is to be produced...
That's exactly what I was told so often by AB Emblem. NASA is telling them what they shall produce.

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posted 07-21-2006 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will AB Emblem make a three man, three flag version, yes or no?


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