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Topic: Soyuz TMA-6 patches...
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MSS
Member Posts: 240
From: Kolo, Poland
Registered: May 2003
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posted March 12, 2005 01:13 PM
   
Hello:Here are new patches:
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Maciej,
Astronauts & Cosmonauts & their flights
[This message has been edited by MSS (edited March 12, 2005).] |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 572
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted March 12, 2005 03:03 PM
Great, can you mail me the photo where these patches came from Maciej...--- Jacques 
www.spacepatches.info
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Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 16778
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted March 14, 2005 01:07 AM
Here is the artwork, courtesy Tim Gagnon:  |
Tom
Member Posts: 931
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 14, 2005 03:01 PM
In the 2 o'clock position of the patch, there are 2 (Russian) letters and the nummber 8.
What does that signify?
It couldn't be manned Soyuz missions to ISS, since this will be the 10th one...6 Expedition crews and 4 Taxi crews.
Thank you.
Tom |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1718
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted March 14, 2005 08:09 PM
TomIt refers to the 8th visiting crew. But it actually means the Vittori "Mission". Tim |
Tom
Member Posts: 931
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 15, 2005 03:30 PM
8th visiting crew?
I'm trying to figure out what constitutes a "visiting crew".
This will be the 11th expedition crew.
The 6th (EXP) crew delivered by Soyuz...there were 5 by shuttle.
There were 4 "taxi" crews.
Where does the "8" come from?
Thanks, Tim.
Tom
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KSCartist
Member Posts: 1718
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted March 16, 2005 07:01 AM
Tom,My guess based on what John told me is to check how many ESA astronauts have conducted their short (during handover) missions. Kuipers, Duque, etc. Since the TMA patch is designed mainly for the third crewmember aboard the Soyuz for launch. Tim |
Ben
Member Posts: 1756
From: Daytona Beach, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted March 16, 2005 07:36 AM
There were 4 taxi crews where all three aboard went up and down.But this is the 8th Soyuz exchange. This constitutes a taxi mission too, but only Vittori is a 'taxi' member while the Shuttle is not flying. |
Tom
Member Posts: 931
From: New York
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted March 16, 2005 04:08 PM
Tim, Ben...thanks!
I got it now...any Soyuz that exchanged (a) crewmember(s).
Tom[This message has been edited by Tom (edited March 16, 2005).] |
Ben
Member Posts: 1756
From: Daytona Beach, FL
Registered: May 2000
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posted March 16, 2005 08:36 PM
Or just think of it as the Soyuz swap out every 6 months.[This message has been edited by Ben (edited March 16, 2005).] |
lucspace
Member Posts: 181
From: Hilversum, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2003
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posted March 18, 2005 11:39 AM
Hi guys!
I feel I just have to clarify a bit about the 'two patches for one mission'...
In fact, they are the seperate 'mission patch' and the 'crew patch'. This finds its origin in the old Interkosmos missions to Salyut and Mir. In those days, there were patches depicting the logo for the mission, usually based on the flags of the Soviet Union and the participating country. Other than Shuttle mission patches, names of the astro/cosmonauts were not included in the design. That is why the 'crew patch' with names was introduced, starting with Mir 92, as the participants wanted a souvenir of their space mission. So the current crew patches are not designed mainly for the cosmonaut in the third seat: they are a design by/for the crew that launch together on Soyuz. |
Mike Isbell
Member Posts: 247
From: Silver Spring, Maryland USA
Registered: Aug 2003
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posted April 13, 2005 11:41 AM
Which Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2 ? |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 16778
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted April 14, 2005 09:05 PM
This patch was missing from the crew's Sokols this evening. Where does this leave the status of this patch? |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1718
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 15, 2005 08:14 AM
Hi all-I feel for the guy who designed that patch. His art made it to the "official TMA-6 crew portrait" but because Sergei likes Pachenko's design it doesn't make it to launch.
Of course there was similar confusion for TMA-5. We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC. Tim |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 16778
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted April 16, 2005 11:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC.
During tonight's docking, the original TMA-6 patch (as opposed to Krikalev's design) was clearly visible on display at the front of the TsUP (Russian Mission Control), next to the Exp. 10 patch and the ENEIDE mission logo. |
KSCartist
Member Posts: 1718
From: Titusville, FL USA
Registered: Feb 2005
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posted April 17, 2005 11:12 AM
Hi Robert-Maybe all Krikalev agreed to do was launch with Pachenko's TMA-6 patch. For those of us who collect it will mean obtaining both (just to be sure).
Glad to see the original TMA-6 being utilized.
Tim |
Jacques van Oene
Member Posts: 572
From: Houten, The Netherlands
Registered: Oct 2001
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posted April 17, 2005 02:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
During tonight's docking, the original TMA-6 patch (as opposed to Krikalev's design) was clearly visible on display at the front of the TsUP (Russian Mission Control), next to the Exp. 10 patch and the ENEIDE mission logo.
Does somebody has a good clear photo for me of that patch in TsUP ??
Thank you, --- Jacques
www.spacepatches.info |
MSS
Member Posts: 240
From: Kolo, Poland
Registered: May 2003
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posted April 17, 2005 03:28 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jacques van Oene:
Does somebody has a good clear photo for me of that patch in TsUP ??Thank you, --- Jacques
www.spacepatches.info
Here is only movie from MCC-M: http://www.vesti.ru/comments.html?id=34434 => link over Soyuz solar batery at center picture ! Good looking at original movie from RTR TV programe... ------------------
Maciej,
Astronauts & Cosmonauts & their flights |
Robert Pearlman
Editor Posts: 16778
From: Houston, TX
Registered: Nov 1999
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posted April 18, 2005 10:10 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Isbell:
Which Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2 ?
Received from a reader: quote:
There was a question regarding what constitutes a "Soyuz Visiting Crew." The Russians have been using this nomenclature for years, generally to describe crews who are not a long-duration "Expedition" crew. For ISS, it is a crew that delivers a new Soyuz and returns on the old one. If memory serves, Mir visiting crews included the Europeans and others who flew on Soyuz exchange flights, and also the U.S. astronauts who flew as part of Phase 1 (and were delivered/returned by Shuttle, and tended to overlap Mir Expedition Crews): VC1 - Musabayev, Baturin, Tito (TM-32/2S up, TM-31/2R down)
VC2 - Afanasyev. Kozeev, Haignere (TM33/3S up, TM-32/2S down)
VC3 - Gidzenko, Vittori, Shuttleworth (TM-34/4S up, TM-33/3S down)
VC4 - Zalyotin, DeWinne, Lonchakov (TMA-1/5S up, TM-34/4S down)
VC5 - Duque (TMA-3/7S up, TMA-2/6S down)
VC6 - Kuipers (TMA-4/8S up, TMA-3/7S down)
VC7 - Shargin (TMA-5/9S up, TMA-4/8S down)
VC8 - Vittori (TMA-6/10S up, TMA-5/9S down)
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