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MSS
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posted 03-12-2005 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS   Click Here to Email MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Soyuz TMA-6 mission patch

Russia's Soyuz TMA-6 will launch to the International Space Station in April 2005. Roscosmos cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev, astronaut John Phillips of NASA will become the Expedition 11 crew. Roberto Vittori of the European Space Agency will spend a week aboard the space station before returning to Earth.

Tom
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posted 03-14-2005 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the two o'clock position of the patch, there are two (Russian) letters and the number 8. What does that signify?

It couldn't be manned Soyuz missions to ISS, since this will be the 10th one... six Expedition crews and four taxi crews.

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posted 03-14-2005 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It refers to the eighth visiting crew. But it actually means the Vittori "Mission."

Tom
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posted 03-15-2005 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eighth visiting crew? I'm trying to figure out what constitutes a "visiting crew."

This will be the 11th expedition crew. The sixth (EXP) crew delivered by Soyuz; there were five by shuttle. There were four "taxi" crews.

Where does the "8" come from?

KSCartist
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posted 03-16-2005 07:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess, based on what John Phillips told me, is to check how many ESA astronauts have conducted their short (during handover) missions (Kuipers, Duque, etc.), since the TMA patch is designed mainly for the third crew member aboard the Soyuz for launch.

Ben
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posted 03-16-2005 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There were four taxi crews where all three aboard went up and down.

But this is the eighth Soyuz exchange. This constitutes a taxi mission too, but only Vittori is a "taxi" member while the shuttle is not flying.

Mike Isbell
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posted 04-13-2005 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Isbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2?

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-13-2005 01:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Posted by Alex Panchenko:
Diamond shape Soyuz TMA-6 patch made for Russia-USA-Italy team launching to the ISS in April, 2005 is a result of my joint work with Sergei Krikalev.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-14-2005 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alex Panchenko's patch was seen on the right shoulder of the crew's Sokol spacesuits during tonight's Soyuz TMA-6 launch.

The diamond-shaped patch was missing. Where does this leave the status of this patch?

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posted 04-15-2005 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
The diamond-shaped patch was missing.
I feel for the guy who designed that patch. His art made it to the official Soyuz TMA-6 crew portrait but because Sergei Krikalev liked Alex Pachenko's design it didn't make it to the launch.

Of course there was similar confusion for Soyuz TMA-5. We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-16-2005 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KSCartist:
We'll have to see which emblem is placed on the console in the ISS MCC.
During tonight's docking, the original TMA-6 patch (as opposed to Krikalev's design) was clearly visible on display at the front of the TsUP (Russian Mission Control), next to the Expedition 10 patch and the Eneide mission logo.

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posted 04-17-2005 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KSCartist   Click Here to Email KSCartist     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe all that Krikalev agreed to do was launch with Panchenko's TMA-6 patch. For those of us who collect patches, it will mean obtaining both (just to be sure).

Glad to see the original TMA-6 patch being utilized.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 04-18-2005 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Isbell:
Which Soyuz flights to the ISS don't count as an exchange - Soyuz TM-31 and Soyuz TMA-2 ?
Received from a reader:
There was a question regarding what constitutes a "Soyuz Visiting Crew." The Russians have been using this nomenclature for years, generally to describe crews who are not a long-duration "Expedition" crew. For ISS, it is a crew that delivers a new Soyuz and returns on the old one. If memory serves, Mir visiting crews included the Europeans and others who flew on Soyuz exchange flights, and also the U.S. astronauts who flew as part of Phase 1 (and were delivered/returned by Shuttle, and tended to overlap Mir Expedition Crews):

VC1 - Musabayev, Baturin, Tito (TM-32/2S up, TM-31/2R down)
VC2 - Afanasyev. Kozeev, Haignere (TM33/3S up, TM-32/2S down)
VC3 - Gidzenko, Vittori, Shuttleworth (TM-34/4S up, TM-33/3S down)
VC4 - Zalyotin, DeWinne, Lonchakov (TMA-1/5S up, TM-34/4S down)
VC5 - Duque (TMA-3/7S up, TMA-2/6S down)
VC6 - Kuipers (TMA-4/8S up, TMA-3/7S down)
VC7 - Shargin (TMA-5/9S up, TMA-4/8S down)
VC8 - Vittori (TMA-6/10S up, TMA-5/9S down)

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