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Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-14-2004 01:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
SpacePatches.info has updated their website with the story behind the two Soyuz TMA-5 patches.

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UPDATE: posted October 14, 2004 11:32 AM
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Speaking with Alex Panchenko of USSR-AirSpace.com, he is the artist who designed the green TMA-5 patch described on SpacePatches.info. Panchenko sketched many versions of the patch while "sitting at Starbucks" and later finalized his design with Sharipov.

What follows are scans of the some of Panchenko's original sketches as well as the final patches. For further information, see Panchenko's website.

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UPDATE: posted October 14, 2004 5:37 PM
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SpacePatches.info has now revised their website to host two pages for each patch design. Look under: Patch index -> International Space Station -> Soyuz TMA-5 for the details about each design.

[This message has been edited by Robert Pearlman (edited October 19, 2004).]

Ben
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posted 10-14-2004 02:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben   Click Here to Email Ben     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know I love the patches.

So let me get this straight. There are three different patches being worn or taken up in some form on this flight (as opposed to the usual two; expedition and a TMA patch). This time there is the Exp 10 patch, and two TMA designs?

The offial supplier of the ones that went up are?:

Exp 10: AB
green TMA: Alex Panchenko
black TMA: spaceview/spacepatches

And also, it was the wire version of both TMA patches that were taken up? Or only the ones work on the Sokols?

Is this correct? So I know who to get them from :-) Thanks! Always an interesting story behind them.

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Robert Pearlman
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posted 10-14-2004 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
The offial supplier of the ones that went up are?
According to SpacePatches.info...

Exp. 10 (as worn on the Sokol suits): Alex Panchenko
green TMA (as only worn by Shargin): Alex Panchenko
black TMA: didn't fly

AB of course, produced the Exp. 10 patches for NASA and had this been a shuttle launch, there would have been several hundred of them on-board in the OFK.

hoorenz
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posted 10-14-2004 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And notice that the Russia Flag patch was also an Alex Panchenko wire patch, with gold-colored border. They did not wear his MKC / ISS patch on front of their Sokols.

Erik

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Jacques van Oene
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posted 10-14-2004 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is some debate on what is the real Soyuz TMA-5 Patch (?)... Since we (www.spacepatches.info) only provide information about patches "we" do not take any side over what is real or not...we have pages for both patches now on our site....

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Jacques van Oene

Editor: www.spacepatches.info

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posted 10-14-2004 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alex Panchenko   Click Here to Email Alex Panchenko     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no debates.And there is no TWO Official patches.
Official emblem is only one and this patch was worn by Yuri Shargin. And millions could see on TV during launch.Same emblem was displayed during announcing of main team and during Press-Conference before flight.
It was agree with crew to have made by myself wire variant of ISS-10 for Sharipov and Chiao, but for Shargin Soyuz TMA-5 (because Shargin had short Soyuz flight only).
For NASA this original design was not provided.NASA only has one of proposed earlier emblem.
As Official design can be considered if patch worn during flight and such only one.
All other proposals may exist as souvenirs only.
Deatils on patches for TMA-5/ISS-10 described on my site:http://www.ussr-airspace.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24_60&products_id=2317
If any questions, please e-mail at apanchenko@earthlink.net
Best regards,
Alex http://www.ussr-airspace.com


Philip
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posted 10-15-2004 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Philip   Click Here to Email Philip     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sharipov was wearing a white square-sized patch as well ... Any idea what is was?
See image at; http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-10/lores/jsc2004e44587.jpg

MSS
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posted 10-15-2004 06:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Philip:
Sharipov was wearing a white square-sized patch as well ... Any idea what is was?
See image at; http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-10/lores/jsc2004e44587.jpg

Yes, it's Roscosmos or FSA patch
like at such pictures:
http://www.energia.ru/energia/iss/iss10/photo_10-14.html

or better seen at:

http://www.energia.ru/energia/iss/iss10/im/photo_10-05-05.jpg

I will see to find a bigger version o this patch, Phill...

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MSS
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posted 10-15-2004 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MSS:
I will see to find a bigger version o this patch, Phill...

I have found only small logo at:

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MSS
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posted 10-15-2004 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here is bigger version from your example photo!

astro.zeto.czest.pl/temp/patch2.jpg

hoorenz
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posted 10-16-2004 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here is another:
http://www.mach25.nl/roskosmos1.jpg

hoorenz
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posted 11-30-2004 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And here is a better scan:
http://www.spacepatches.nl/station/roskosmos_200.jpg

[This message has been edited by hoorenz (edited November 30, 2004).]

MSS
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posted 11-30-2004 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MSS     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hoorenz:
And here is a better scan:

Thanks, Erik for superb link !

[This message has been edited by MSS (edited November 30, 2004).]

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