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hoorenz
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posted 03-17-2004 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

What is YOUR first reaction?

Erik & Jacques

lucspace
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posted 03-17-2004 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lucspace   Click Here to Email lucspace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
''Less is more'', someone once said... a bit too much to my taste. Good luck to AB embroidering this headache.

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posted 03-17-2004 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, has anybody seen an explanation of what all's going on in this thing?

The Station at the top speaks for itself, but why was the Shuttle included, since it won't fly during Exp. 9?

I assume the significance of the Moon and Mars refer to the exploration initiative, but what are the two stars above them?

Given the presence of the one six-pointed star, I assume that the stars on/near the Eagle represent those lost in space exploration tragedies, but is that true of all the stars, or do some represent something else?

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There are nine yellow stars on the eagle's left wing separated by a blue six-pointed star. There are seven yellow stars on the right wing.

I would guess that the seven on the right are for Challenger, the six plus blue are for Columbia, and the three are for Apollo 1.

Five red stars around the eagle's neck. Could they be for cosmonauts killed during flight?

More obscure are the green, white, and orange feathers on the tip of the eagle's left wing.

As for the two stars, might one of them be Eros?

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posted 03-17-2004 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just noticed that the Soyuz booster and the large "X" represent the Roman numeral 9. That's about the only thing I like about the design...

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posted 03-17-2004 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rodina   Click Here to Email Rodina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That one's way, way too busy.

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Has anyone else noticed the numerous references to both Russia and America? The top of the X's is the most noticeable, but stripe around the scroll starts as an American flag and ends as a Russian flag. And the Soyuz rocket and space shuttle as well? I guess these guys haven't heard of overkill.

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posted 03-18-2004 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The dual flag colors are hardly exceptional for an Expedition patch.

And, as Sigmund Freud would say, sometimes a Soyuz is just a Soyuz (and part of a roman numberal 9)

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posted 03-18-2004 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sts205cdr   Click Here to Email sts205cdr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Glint:
...More obscure are the green, white, and orange feathers on the tip of the eagle's left wing...

I interpret that as representative of the flag of India, birthplace of Kalpana Chawla, although the colors are upside-down.

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Originally posted by sts205cdr:
I interpret that as representative of the flag of India, birthplace of Kalpana Chawla, although the colors are upside-down.

Of course, there is no up or down in space.... [duck, grin]

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posted 03-18-2004 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DavidH   Click Here to Email DavidH     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That would make sense. Indian colors for Chawla, two blue stripes for Ramon, yellow stripes (though I don't know why) for American astronauts, and red stripes on red stars for Komarov; Dobrovolsky, Volkov, and Patsayev; and Bondarenko (presumably?).

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Robert Pearlman
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NASA has posted the following description of the emblem to their website:
This emblem represents the Ninth Expedition to the International Space Station. Expedition 9 Commander Gennady Padalka and Flight Engineer Mike Fincke are set to rocket toward the station in April, along with European Space Agency Astronaut Andre Kuipers.

At the heart of the image is the Roman numeral IX, created by the Soyuz rocket and the letter "X," which evokes the spirit of exploration at the heart of the U.S.-Russian space partnership. Research aboard the ISS is the first step toward human exploration of the moon, Mars and beyond -- seen between the rocket and the "X."

Flying across the emblem is an eagle representing the spirit of Human Space Flight, with stars on its wings honoring the astronauts and cosmonauts who gave their lives in this valiant endeavour.

The astronaut symbol is flanked by the Expedition 9 crew names leaning together, with a stylized "9" as the plume of their rocket. The eagle carries the baton of discovery, passing it to the crew of the spaceship advancing to their orbital outpost.

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posted 03-19-2004 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glint   Click Here to Email Glint     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I notice that the U.S. flag has the usual 13 bars but only seven stars. The latter are being lifted skyward on the eagle's wing.

Granted, 50 stars would have really made things busy, but why just seven stars?

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...Granted, 50 stars would have really made things busy, but why just seven stars?

Maybe they represent the RTF 114 crew. The real question is, do they still have time to come to their senses?

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For a two person crew they sure have alot to symbolize in their emblem.

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posted 03-20-2004 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tom   Click Here to Email Tom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like it. It kind of reminds me of the "busy" Apollo 10 crew patch.

icarkie
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I like it also, there is a lot to take in and will be interesting to see what it looks like when it's finished as a sew on.

I can understand the meaning of the design (with the stars, the Soyuz and the X, etc.) but like what David said, why is the shuttle included?

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I just thought of something and I was just wondering if anyone else had thought of this. In 50 years, what patches from this time in space history will be remembered if any? STS-107 is a given and possibly even STS-114. But this patch has so much going on in it and so many people have varied opinions, I would dare to say that this patch will be remembered for a very long time, both as an eyesore and a revolutionary design.

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