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Topic: Skylab II 'Wives' patch: original, replicas
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sixturners Member Posts: 151 From: E. Lansing, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 10-19-2001 05:48 PM
I understood that the authentic Skylab II "wives" patch had a navel. The photo in Superior's Fall 2001 auction catalog (Item 1262) has no navel. If that is not the case I own a very expensive fake. Any feedback? |
Jacques van Oene Member Posts: 868 From: Houten, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 10-21-2001 08:04 AM
On the Skylab 2 wives patch the lady has a navel.The patch at the top of the page is the original patch of which only 320 were made. On the bottom of the page is a souvenir wives patch which has a stripe instead of a navel. I looked at the photo of the Superior catalog and could not see a navel or a stripe so my guess is that there is a different souvenir version of the patch... But I have to see the patch in more detail to say if its real or a fake. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1034 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-21-2001 11:46 AM
A second souvenir version is on the market, without a belly button or a stripe. It is mentioned by Jacques Tiziou in an interview with Russ Still. One other feature the Superior patch has, is that the 'A' of 'Mary' is a little out of place. |
sixturners Member Posts: 151 From: E. Lansing, MI, USA Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 10-21-2001 06:24 PM
Thanks for the information on the Wives patch. I appreciate the links with the history of the patch. It appears I am in good shape and have the real thing. |
codos New Member Posts: 2 From: Glendale, CA Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 10-24-2001 09:34 PM
Coincidence that I just happend to personally view the patch today in person and came here to verify what I thought was true. The patch in the catalog is as the patch in their display: It has no bellybutton. An article by Russ Still mentioned that a copy without the bellybutton was made by Don Simpson in the early 90's. I did notice that this patch has the ladies' initials stitched into the red at her feet as the original does. Another copy of this patch I have doesn't have the initials. The fact that this patch comes from the collection of Mrs. Alan Bean is unfortunate. I fear that someone is going to pay a lot of money for something that is NOT what they think it is. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1034 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-27-2001 08:22 AM
Anyone has a scan of the Don Simpson version? If that is substantially different from the one at Superior's, I think it is almost impossible that a fourth souvenir version exists. Although it has no belly button, it is too close to the "original" to be a copy, I think. Looks like the same manufacturer anyway, same little characteristics in lettering, for instance. A copy would never match that. Since this patch has turned up on eBay pretty often lately, and someone even stated he had bought one at NASA, I believe someone might have ordered (or might have offered) their own batch at the same manufacturer without Tiziou knowing about it. For a patch that has only 320 copies, I see way too many "originals" showing up. Who did the patch anyway? Lion Brothers? |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3050 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 10-28-2001 05:26 PM
The special patch was produced by an associate of mine that owns Cape Kennedy Medals (now Mint) of Cocoa Beach, Florida. |
hoorenz Member Posts: 1034 From: The Netherlands Registered: Jan 2003
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posted 10-29-2001 03:57 PM
Ken, what do you mean by "the special patch"? We're discussing several different versions of the Skylab II Wives patch. So far, we've seen the Tiziou version and the Randy Wagner (Eagle One Aerospace) version, but want to see the Don Simpson version. This to determine if Superior's patch was a Tiziou without navel, or a fake Don Simpson version. |
Ken Havekotte Member Posts: 3050 From: Merritt Island, Florida, Brevard Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 10-30-2001 07:35 PM
Erik, I'm only referring to the original Wives patch that Tiziou designed in 1973 that was produced by Cape Kennedy Medals. The Wives patch illustrated in Superior's recent auction catalog (Lot 1262) is certainly not one of the 320 originals that Jacques created! I do know of at least two others that have been produced throughout the last 15+ years, but of course, they are replicas, or better yet "fakes." The original does indeed contain a belly button and there are many other differences that are quite noticeable in comparing an original with other copies. By the way, while the patch itself never flew in space, three three decal stickers of the Wives patch design, measuring slightly more than 4x4", did in fact fly aboard the Skylab space station during the SL-3 mission from July-Sept. 1973! |
sapper82 Member Posts: 169 From: Canada Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-16-2002 02:09 PM
One of these just failed to meet the reserve again on eBay, even though the last bid was well over $400 US. Just how rare are these things (320 patches — how many have survived?) and why is it priced so high? |
Jacques van Oene Member Posts: 868 From: Houten, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 05-17-2002 11:32 AM
If it is indeed true that there are only 320 made of that patch (I talked with Ardis Shanks, the drawer of the patch, and she told me that Jacques Tiziou made 320 in the original run) then it is a rare patch, but I have seen so many "real" Skylab wives patches on eBay lately that I personally think that there are more made after the original 320. And I'm not speaking now of the various souvenir versions that also exist. |
sapper82 Member Posts: 169 From: Canada Registered: Dec 2000
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posted 05-17-2002 11:44 PM
I went through my space memorabilia auction catalogs and there's been a few in auction over the past few years, ranging from a high of $460 to a low of $161. And I've recorded a few on eBay as low as $20 (now I know who bought them!).The only thing that seems to separate the originals is the look and feel of the patch, plus the stitching method. I didn't realize that they might be making newer ones. That's very disappointing to hear as it'll destroy the value and collectibility of the patch. |
Liembo Member Posts: 654 From: Bothell, WA Registered: Jan 2013
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posted 07-01-2020 12:07 PM
A-B Emblem has released a new replica Wives Club patch. $1 for every patch sold will be donated to the Women in Aerospace Foundation. |
randy Member Posts: 2263 From: West Jordan, Utah USA Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 07-01-2020 02:52 PM
Ordered one today. |
Jacques van Oene Member Posts: 868 From: Houten, The Netherlands Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 07-02-2020 10:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Liembo: A-B Emblem has released a new replica Wives Club patch.
Only question I have is: Why? |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 44213 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 07-02-2020 10:32 AM
Per AB Emblem, the patch was produced with permission of JJ Tiziou, Jacques' son, as a fundraiser for the Women in Aerospace Foundation. |
Ronpur Member Posts: 1224 From: Brandon, Fl Registered: May 2012
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posted 07-10-2020 07:22 PM
I received my Skylab II Wives patch Wednesday.I am happy to finally have one in my collection. The tag number on the back is 424008 and date is 05/2020. |
randy Member Posts: 2263 From: West Jordan, Utah USA Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 07-11-2020 07:55 PM
Got mine today. Cool! |