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sixturners
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posted 10-19-2001 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sixturners   Click Here to Email sixturners     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Any patch experts out there? I understood that the authentic Skylab II wives patch had a navel. The photo Superior's Fall 2001 auction catalog (Item 1262) has no navel. If that is not the case I own a very expensive fake. Any feedback?

Rick

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posted 10-21-2001 08:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques van Oene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On the Skylab 2 wives patch the lady has a navel.

The patch at the top of the page is the original patch of which only 320 were made. On the bottom of the page is a souvenir wives patch which has a stripe instead of a navel. I looked at the photo of the Superior catalog and could not see a navel or a stripe so my guess is that there is a different souvenir version of the patch... But I have to see the patch in more detail to say if its real or a fake.

Jacques :-)
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posted 10-21-2001 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for erik   Click Here to Email erik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A second souvenir version is on the market, without a belly button or a stripe. It is mentioned by Jacques Tiziou in an interview with Russ Still. One other feature the Superior patch has, is that the 'A' of 'Mary' is a little out of place.

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posted 10-21-2001 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sixturners   Click Here to Email sixturners     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the information on the Wives Patch. I appreciate the links with the history of the patch. It appears I am in good shape and have the real thing.

Thanks again for the help,

Rick

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posted 10-24-2001 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for codos   Click Here to Email codos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coincidence that I just happend to personally view the patch today in person and came here to verify what I thought was true. The patch in the catalog is as the patch in their display: It has NO bellybutton.

An article by Russell Still, previously posted here at collectSPACE, mentioned that a copy without the bellybutton was made by Don Simpson in the early 90's. I did notice that this patch has the ladies' initials stitched into the red at her feet as the original does. Another copy of this patch I have doesn't have the initials.

The fact that this patch comes from the collection of Mrs. Alan Bean is unfortunate. I fear that someone is going to pay a lot of money for something that is NOT what they think it is.

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posted 10-27-2001 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for erik   Click Here to Email erik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone has a scan of the Don Simpson version? If that is substantially different from the one at Superior's, I think it is almost impossible that a fourth souvenir version exists. Although it has no belly button, it is TOO CLOSE to the 'original' to be a copy, I think. Looks like the same manufacturer anyway, same little characteristics in lettering, for instance. A copy would never match that. Since this patch has turned up on eBay pretty often lately, and someone even stated he had bought one at NASA, I believe someone might have ordered (or might have OFFERED) their own batch at the same manufacturer without Tiziou knowing about it. For a patch that has only 320 copies, I see way too many 'originals' showing up.
Who did the patch anyway? Lion Brothers?

Ken Havekotte
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posted 10-28-2001 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The special patch was produced by an associate of mine that owns Cape Kennedy Medals (now Mint) of Cocoa Beach, Florida.

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posted 10-29-2001 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for erik   Click Here to Email erik     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ken, what do you mean by 'the special patch'? We're discussing several different versions of the Skylab II Wives patch. So far, we've seen the Tiziou version and the Randy Wagner (Eagle One Aerospace) version, but want to see the Don Simpson version. This to determine if Superior's patch was a Tiziou without navel, or a fake Don Simpson verson.

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posted 10-30-2001 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Erik--I'm only referring to the original Wives Patch that Tiziou designed in 1973 that was produced by CKM. The Wives Patch illustrated in Superior's recent auction catalog (Lot #1262) is certainly NOT one of the "320" originals that Jacques created! I do know of at least 2 others that have been produced throughout the last 15+ years, but of course, they are replicas--or better yet--"fakes." The original does indeed contain a belly button and there are MANY other differences that are quite noticeable in comparing an original with other copies. By the way, while the patch itself never flew in space, three (3) decal stickers of the Astronaut Wives Patch design, measuring slightly more than 4x4", did in fact fly aboard the Skylab Space Station during the SL-3 mission from July-Sept. 1973!

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posted 05-16-2002 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sapper82   Click Here to Email sapper82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of these just failed to meet the reserve again on EBay, even though the last bid was well ovwer $400 US. Just how rare are these things (320 patches - how many have survived?) and why is it priced so high?

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posted 05-17-2002 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jacques   Click Here to Email Jacques     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it is indeed tru that there are only 320 made of that patch, (I talked with Ardis Shanks, the drawer of the patch, and she told me that J. Tiziou made 320 in the original run) then it is a rare patch, but I have seen so many "real" Skylab wives patches on e-bay lately that I personally think that there are more made after the original 320. And I'm not speaking now of the various souvenir versions that also exist.

The guy who sells them on eBay with the certificate etc. probably wants that much money because J. Tiziou also wants some money for it...

And I bought two on eBay for only $20 a piece so... what is the right value?

Jacques :-)
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I went through my space memorabilia auction catalogs and there's been a few in auction over the past few years, ranging from a high of $460 to a low of $161. And I've recorded a few on eBay as low as $20 (now I know who bought them!).

The only thing that seems to separate the originals is the look and feel of the patch, plus the stitching method. I didn't realize that they might be making newer ones... that's very disappointing to hear as it'll destroy the value and collectibility of the patch.

Andrew.

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posted 08-05-2008 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ardis   Click Here to Email ardis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sixturners:
If that is not the case I own a very expensive fake.
Rick, I hope you didn't pay a lot for your patch as it is a fake (sorry). I am the artist that designed and painted it and there was a "belly button".
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Originally posted by Ken Havekotte:
I'm only referring to the original Wives Patch that Tiziou designed in 1973 that was produced by CKM.
Tiziou only paid 1/2 of the production costs ...I designed and painted it. So it is not a
Tiziou patch.

Ardis

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posted 08-05-2008 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken Havekotte   Click Here to Email Ken Havekotte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ardis--How are you? It has always been my impression from Jacques that it was "his" patch idea and conception from the start. Many of the patches were paid for from those that were on an order list from Jacques. Once the patch was basically designed by Jacques, from what I was told, you made the final sketches and paintings for it. Is this not true?

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