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cspg
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posted 10-16-2017 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hobby Master has just announced a 1/200 Space Shuttle Orbiter series. The first model is Space Shuttle Orbiter "Atlantis."
  • 1/200 scale die-cast metal with minimal use of plastic.
  • All markings are tampo (pad) applied, no decals to discolor or flake.
  • With space lab interior
  • Bay doors can open
  • Robotic arm can be posed (SRMS)
  • Landing gear can be removed or added.
  • Model comes with a display stand.

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posted 10-16-2017 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retail price is 69.95 euros according to AviationMegastore.com.

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posted 10-18-2017 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Prototype photos here.

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posted 10-19-2017 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
US$82.95 from the Flying Mule.

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posted 10-19-2017 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for prowler5150   Click Here to Email prowler5150     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would look for lower prices. Love the Mule, but they appear to be a bit high on this one.

cspg
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posted 11-23-2017 03:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And on other aviation models as well. I saved about $20 per model (Swiss Air Force F-5 Tiger II models from Hobby Master) by buying them in the Netherlands! Strange.

Back to the shuttle, here are additional pre-production photos from Hobby Master Collector website.

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posted 11-23-2017 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll not be rushing out to replace my Bandai Endeavour with this then.

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posted 11-23-2017 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is interesting to me how just about every diecast and many plastic model kits of the space shuttle use the same payload bay configuration as is again being used by Hobby Master here.

I get that the Spacelab tunnel, module and pallet, with Canadarm, has an international appeal, offers a full payload bay scene, and is appropriate for the early shuttle era reflected by the orbiter's livery, but is there something more to it? Are they all just sharing a common mold?

It would be great to see a diecast model or kit change things up and include a TDRS satellite, LDEF or a couple of comsat deployers (with interior comsat detail).

With regards to Hobby Master specifically, I hope the latest pre-production shots reflect a pre-painted payload bay, as it seems somewhat bland to have a pure off-white color scheme.

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posted 11-23-2017 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
I'll not be rushing out to replace my Bandai Endeavour with this then.
I can't think of any reason why you would want to replace a 1/144 model (Bandai) with a 1/200 (Hobby Master) one!

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posted 11-23-2017 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Robert regarding the payload bay configuration. It definitely lacks originality (to say the least) and it looks rather cheap with a too-much-plastic look. Hopefully they will correct this. I've emailed Hobby Master Collector.

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posted 11-23-2017 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comments will be forwarded to Hobby Master. Thanks to Hobby Master Collector.

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posted 11-23-2017 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was asked by Dave from Hobby Master Collector the following:
Can you supply good photos or drawings of various payloads that can be used as reference? I.E. showing different angles of each piece.
If you have any good ideas, let me know or email Dave, email address is on his website.

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posted 11-23-2017 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will this just be a re-tooling of the Hasegawa kit? I hope not.

David C
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posted 11-23-2017 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know which kit was copied — but that's what HM does, copy kits. It's probably the reason for payload similarities.

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posted 11-23-2017 06:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cspg:
I If you have any good ideas, let me know or email Dave,
Well I vote for the Hubble Space Telescope, either STS-31 or STS-61.

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posted 11-24-2017 01:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Panther494   Click Here to Email Panther494     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it is the Hasegawa re-tooled, the Hubble would be simple as they have released both the Spacelab and the Hubble payloads. Hubble would also get my vote. Perhaps that's a future release Hobby Master is planning!!

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posted 11-24-2017 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
Well I vote for the Hubble Space Telescope, either STS-31 or STS-61.
STS-31 was flown by Discovery and STS-61 by Endeavour. STS-125 is the only flown mission to Hubble by Atlantis.

In my opinion, the Atlantis model should depict one of her missions. See below. The actual pre-production photo of the cargo bay is a configuration that I haven't seen on any of Atlantis' missions (Spacehab and pallets were used for science missions; no sign of Spacelab).

Atlantis is well-known (to me) for the Shuttle-Mir and ISS assembly missions. But also the Magellan Venus probe, the Galileo Jupiter probe and the Compton (GRO) observatory deployments. One mission to deploy TDRS satellite and one Hubble mission.

So my suggestion for a payload bay would be (providing that there are documents that describes the payload in detail — no Google, Hobby Master cannot use that):

  • STS-30 Magellan
  • STS-34 Galileo
  • STS-37 Compton GRO
  • STS-71 First MIR docking / payload bay similar to the pre-production photo.
  • STS-74 Mir Docking module mission
  • STS-98 Destiny module to the ISS
  • STS-122 Columbus module to the ISS
  • STS-125 Hubble servicing mission 4
Now those missions need proper documentation. Any other "worth mentioning"?

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posted 11-24-2017 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Based on the model itself, the only Atlantis missions that can be accurately reflected are those flown between 1985 and 1992. Atlantis was then modified to include a drag chute, which changed the shape of its vertical stabilizer.

Note that as detailed in the pre-production photos, Atlantis is missing the black tiles on its right OMS pod (for its first two missions onwards) and left pod (beginning with STS-27 in 1988).

There are other exterior markings missing as well. An excellent reference can be found here.

Back to the payload configuration, the shape of the vertical stabilizer would limit the choices to missions STS-46 or earlier. If you overlooked (or changed) the tail, then you could include up through STS-86, as after that the livery changed to use the NASA meatball logo, rather than the worm.

Given those limits, I would go with either Magellan (STS-30), Galileo (STS-34) or TDRS (STS-43).

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posted 11-24-2017 07:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Thanks Robert. A really sharp analysis of the pre-production model. I focused only on the payload bay.

And I agree with your choices.

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posted 11-24-2017 07:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cspg:
STS-31 was flown by Discovery and STS-61 by Endeavour. STS-125 is the only flown mission to Hubble by Atlantis.

Who decided we were restricted to talking about this release? HM are fully capable of releasing orbiters other than Atlantis.

But yes, I agree that it would be nice if this release reflected an Atlantis mission. At the moment it doesn't accurately reflect any Atlantis configuration.

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posted 11-24-2017 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
Back to the payload configuration, the shape of the vertical stabilizer would limit the choices to missions STS-46 or earlier.

HM knows all about the drag chute but they're waiting to see what sales are like before committing to future changes such as a full stack etc. The more people that contact them and show interest the better.

I will say that having worked with them for many years, getting multiple payloads tooled is going to be a hard sell. Especially if they're only appropriate for a single release. These models aren't really aimed at us.

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posted 11-24-2017 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by David C:
Who decided we were restricted to talking about this release?
Hmm, not sure I get your point. I guess I'm the one who suggested a possible restriction if the model has open payload bay doors. I'm not sure collectors would agree to buy an Atlantis model with a cargo bay flown by another orbiter. The current configuration could be used on another orbiter model. To what extent it's financially feasible I don't know.

But you're right, HM will probably produce other orbiters.

quote:
These models aren't really aimed at us.
So who's the target audience? If as you say the more people get in touch with HM the better, how come those models are not aimed at us? I'm confused.
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...getting multiple payloads tooled is going to be a hard sell.
And yet isn't what Dragon Models did?

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I agree, given the detail (or lack thereof) in the pre-production photos, that we — space history enthusiasts — are not Hobby Master's target audience for this model. I would say they are targeting more of the space museum gift shop crowd, and/or general diecast collector.

Dragon started off much like Hobby Master, looking to only make minor changes to repackage their existing molds. But for a short while they found a niche market among space history enthusiasts and so catered to them (at least within their 1:400 scale line).

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posted 11-24-2017 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Robert Pearlman:
I would say they are targeting more of the space museum gift shop crowd, and/or general diecast collector.

Exactly, but if enough "serious" collectors contact them (oh, and actually buy the models), that may change.

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posted 11-24-2017 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cspg:
HM will probably produce other orbiters.

No probably about it, they will. HM are not Bandai, their business model does not support producing new toolings for themselves with only single releases. As for collectors not agreeing to buy Atlantis with the wrong payload - I'm afraid you're incorrect. Plenty will if it looks good. Most collectors neither know nor care about different payloads. As I implied, there's loads more people out there buying diecast than just us. We are a niche. I wish it were different, but that's just how it is.

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posted 11-24-2017 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting discussion.

I've also long wondered why so many Shuttle releases — both display models and kits — are wedded to that Spacelab configuration.

I'd buy a Hubble or even a TDRS payload-configured model in a second. Hopefully someone at Hobby Master is listening.

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posted 11-25-2017 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting indeed.

Am I to conclude that the model is not suited for collectors because of its lack of technical accuracy and thus would be more suitable for an audience which would cut Hobby Master some slack about those inaccuracies?

And if the target audience is museum visitors, the model still goes for $83 which seems quite a lot for non collectors and space enthusiasts. Models made by Model Power (for example) seem more appropriate for a museum — I may completely wrong on this one.

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Originally posted by GoesTo11:
Hopefully someone at Hobby Master is listening.
Robert's sharp analysis of the Atlantis model will be forwarded to Hobby Master according to Dave from Hobby Master Collector.

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posted 11-26-2017 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David C     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cspg:
Robert's sharp analysis of the Atlantis model will be forwarded to Hobby Master according to Dave from Hobby Master Collector.

And now it gets interesting. Fingers crossed.

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