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FlyBuzz11
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posted 02-09-2015 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyBuzz11   Click Here to Email FlyBuzz11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could anyone point me in the right direction to find a lunar rover model?

apolloprojeckt
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posted 02-09-2015 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Which scale? Diecast model? Model kit? 3D printing?

Robert Pearlman
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Judging by your price range, I suspect you're looking for something that is more than a toy, though that may be the only pre-built option available through retail channels at the moment.

If a kit is acceptable, then Larson Designs has a new 1:24 scale Lunar Rover.

On the secondary market (i.e. eBay), there is the Code 3 Collectibles' 1:18 Lunar Roving Vehicle originally released in 2002, though that particular model can and has sold for more than $600.

mode1charlie
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posted 02-09-2015 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's also the 1:43 Minichamps version, which is pretty good. This is the model that Nick Proach has used (with significant modification) in his LRV model.

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posted 02-09-2015 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you can find one, EVA Models 1/32 scale Lunar Rover is a beautiful model.

Daugherty54
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posted 02-09-2015 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've sent you an email with pics of four different rovers.

the clocks running
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posted 02-10-2015 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I own several LRV models and the EVA Models 1/32 scale LRV is the nicest.

Hopefully you can find one that won't break the bank.

hotdog
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posted 02-11-2015 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hotdog   Click Here to Email hotdog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may want to look into 3D printing Vincent Meen's lunar rover parts and building your own. He has 1/24 and 1/32 scales to choose from. I crunched the numbers, and you could get all of the parts to build the 1/32 scale with two astronauts for about $170. Best of all, it's customizable depending on how you want to display it.

keymichael1855
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posted 02-11-2015 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keymichael1855   Click Here to Email keymichael1855     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was planning on waiting a couple of more months before posting information about this, but since there has been some discussion lately about LRV scale models, I thought now was a good time. I have been working very closely with a fellow cS member over the last few months, and we have developed a beautiful 1:12 scale LRV kit consisting primarily of 3D printed parts.

A LOT of time and research has gone into the model, and we believe this to be the most accurate version ever produced. A lot of care has been taken to give the rover a lot of moving parts. For example, the wheels will swivel to demonstrate the four wheel steering, the cameras are constructed to tilt and rotate, the battery and storage boxes will open, the rear pallet door will open and close, and the seat bottoms will fold up to reveal under-seat storage boxes that themselves open.

The overall size of the model is 11.5" by 7" and the wheels are 2.75" in diameter. Below are some pics of the working prototype.

Perhaps the best part of this model that hasn't been accomplished until now is the proper representation of the wheels. We have developed a method of replicating the true construction of the wheels to show the open wire design, where prior versions of the wheels have been solid.

We are in the process of finalizing the parts and determining exactly what all will be needed to construct the kit — our goal is to have everything included. I am also building the kit from scratch myself to determine what, if any, adjustments will need to be made. Comments and questions are welcome!

mach3valkyrie
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posted 02-11-2015 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mach3valkyrie   Click Here to Email mach3valkyrie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like the astronauts could hop aboard and set off across the lunar surface! Nice detail. Can't wait for the completion of the project.

mode1charlie
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posted 02-11-2015 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW.

Daugherty54
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posted 02-11-2015 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh man... I want this. Please be affordable!!!

FlyBuzz11
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posted 02-11-2015 10:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyBuzz11   Click Here to Email FlyBuzz11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That Sir, is exactly what I'm looking for. It's amazing and a beautiful work of art.
When will it be available? And do I dare ask how much?

Michael ApolloJack
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posted 02-12-2015 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Michael ApolloJack   Click Here to Email Michael ApolloJack     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is AMAZING. I love it, those wheels look fantastic. I have been wanting to build a LRV for years, but could never find a really good one, and at the right scale.

Is there the possibility of just purchasing certain parts, like say the wheels and fenders, as I love scratch building and would like a new challenge, I could never make wheels like that. Great work.

onesmallstep
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posted 02-12-2015 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for onesmallstep   Click Here to Email onesmallstep     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great news! Nice to see the cS community work together on a worthwhile project. Looks like a nice museum-quality scale model. My two cents: hopefully parts will be in the kit box to build any version that flew on Apollos 15-17 (such as the sunshade for the TV camera), even including a spare flight checklist to fix that broken fender on 17's LRV Now all that you need are some 1/12 scale astronauts and potted lunar soil.

apolloprojeckt
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posted 02-12-2015 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This designer has some.

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 02-12-2015 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stunning!

Norman.King
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posted 02-12-2015 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes, I'm interested

Charlie16
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posted 02-12-2015 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charlie16   Click Here to Email Charlie16     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Amazing model!

Rick Mulheirn
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posted 02-12-2015 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rick Mulheirn   Click Here to Email Rick Mulheirn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As a VERY moderate model maker... at best, what are the chances this model could be made available pre-painted; ready to assemble?

mode1charlie
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posted 02-12-2015 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know what Michael has planned, but there are very talented model-makers out there who specialize in real space models (not talking about the company by that name) who can do assembly/painting on commission/fee, and at a very high level.

Retro Rocket
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posted 02-12-2015 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Retro Rocket   Click Here to Email Retro Rocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The tires look fantastic! That's the key to a really great LRV model, looks like you nailed it! As far as reference/accuracy where would you grade this?

haveblue
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posted 02-12-2015 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for haveblue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That looks absolutely incredible! Maybe I can finally stop my fruitless search for the Code 3 model on eBay.

apolloprojeckt
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posted 02-12-2015 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe the printing parts in color?

Daugherty54
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posted 02-12-2015 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can recommend Stephen Nichols and Pascal Hecker. I have bought work from both and the detail they include is stunning. This thing is literally a work of art. I know I wouldn't trust my mediocre skills to this quality model. Michael Keys who posted this model is an excellent source for a build as well.

I know the price will be high for this but the Code 3 models are approaching a grand each. Thank goodness I got mine a few years ago!

the clocks running
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posted 02-12-2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
1/12 scale! This baby is big. I am very curious what this amazing kit will cost. Does the base come with the kit?

I am amazed by how detailed and realistic the LRV is. Can't wait for more info about the product release.

Mike Dixon
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posted 02-13-2015 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just missing the US flags on the front fenders ... but boy, this is fantastic.

keymichael1855
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posted 02-14-2015 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keymichael1855   Click Here to Email keymichael1855     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry for the delay in responding — life got in the way over the last few days! Glad to hear that the amount of work that we have put in is receiving positive feedback.

I would be able to answer some of the questions posted, but not all of them. So, I will leave the big questions on cost, availability, construction, accuracy grading, etc. to my friend Ron, as he has been the lead person on the project. He will be the "go to" person for the kit, and knows this vehicle better than anyone I know. He is finalizing the cost of the kit, and will have that information in a day or two.

In the meantime, here are a few more detailed pics:

mode1charlie
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posted 02-14-2015 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I strongly suspect this will be the definitive LRV scale model.

Michael/Ron - do I see photoetch material there (ex. on the left side of the LCRU), or are those decals?

Looks absolutely fantastic. Kudos all the way around.

the clocks running
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posted 02-15-2015 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This will be the definitive LRV model. No question about it.

I love it!

Now we need one or two highly detailed Apollo J-Mission astronauts, like in the post above, to operate it.

the clocks running
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posted 02-15-2015 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is that Al Shepard's golf ball in the vertical shot of the LRV from above in the lower right hand corner?

I just noticed it and had to post this silly commentary.

moonguyron
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posted 02-15-2015 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonguyron   Click Here to Email moonguyron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The pictures of the rover that have been posted by Michael Key this week are of my model. It's a bit early as Michael is assembling what was to be the first kit to go public. But since the subject came up in an earlier post we decided to go ahead.

The kit is designed to be 100% 3D printed. It will consist of a total of 66 parts. Of those I use 20 to complete 4 mesh covered wheels. So you would receive four complete wheels plus 44 parts. Also ancillary parts too numerous to define here that allow you to complete the model.

The actual construction is fairly simple after the painting is complete. In fact the only thing glued on the model you see are the seat backs to the mid chassis and the wheels and fenders to the motors. Everything else uses rods and wires for connections. I consider myself to be an average model maker at best and the result is what you see.

As for some questions that have surfaced.

quote:
Originally posted by Michael ApolloJack:
Is there the possibility of just purchasing certain parts, like say the wheels and fenders...
E-mail me, I'll work with you.
quote:
Originally posted by Rick Mulheirn:
...at best, what are the chances this model could be made available pre-painted; ready to assemble?
Again, e-mail me.
quote:
Originally posted by Retro Rocket:
As far as reference/accuracy where would you grade this?
We had access to reference material that had the wheel profile, chassis, seats, console and suspension dimensions down to hundredths of an inch for our design. Every detail we could verify was included. (Except for the steering linkage; you have to stop somewhere.) I can say I believe it to be by far the most accurate and inclusive LRV ever produced.
quote:
Originally posted by the clocks running:
Does the base come with the kit?
No, it's not included. I have not had time to do my own base yet. What you see is a base from one of my 1:6th scale astronaut dioramas. Please disregard the giant footprints.
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Dixon:
Just missing the US flags on the front fenders...
Yes the flags are missing. A work in progress as we found out late that the vinyl graphic in this case wanted to lift off the fender surface because of the compound curve. A fix is in the works.
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Originally posted by mode1charlie:
Do I see photoetch material there (ex. on the left side of the LCRU), or are those decals?
Those are not photo-etched parts. They are all terrifically detailed vinyl graphics supplied by our friend Michael Key. They appear on the console instrument panel, the roll and pitch indicator, the LCRU panel, the mid-chassis rails, and forthcoming flags. They add a great deal of realism.

The kit will sell for $1160 USD plus shipping (plus 6.75% for Texas residents). Anyone interested just e-mail me at the address in my profile. Thanks for all the kind words. And a special thanks to Michael Key who posted all the pictures and offered advice and encouragement throughout the months of design. — Ron Shinkle

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posted 02-15-2015 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonguyron   Click Here to Email moonguyron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by the clocks running:
Is that Al Shepard's golf ball in the vertical shot of the LRV from above in the lower right hand corner?
You have a great eye for detail. You are absolutely correct that is indeed Al Shepard's golf ball. I stole his diorama as a base to use for this set of pictures. Al is back home now (along with Mitchell) and I will construct a dedicated diorama for the Rover.

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posted 02-15-2015 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the clocks running   Click Here to Email the clocks running     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is very funny! I honestly thought that is was a coincidence and one of the rocks just happened to look like a golf ball.

Do I win an LRV kit for noticing?

FlyBuzz11
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posted 02-15-2015 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FlyBuzz11   Click Here to Email FlyBuzz11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I expected it is double my budget but well worth it. Need a little time to save up. When do you think they will be available for shipping? I don't need it till May of 2016. Great work my friend!!!!!!

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posted 02-15-2015 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daugherty54   Click Here to Email Daugherty54     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Count me in! I am going to need a few months to save up for this one, but it's going to Spacefest with me in '16!

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posted 02-15-2015 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am curious as to why your rover doesn't have seat belts, which the rover did and why there are no map holders, which there were two, one for each astronaut.

moonguyron
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posted 02-15-2015 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moonguyron   Click Here to Email moonguyron     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why no seat belts. First I lacked any definitive information of the connection points. Also for 3D printing it would be difficult to print a single thin strip and being solid it would interfere with the tilt of the seat bottom that reveals the storage box underneath. Same for the map holder. It would have to be quite thin and designing it into the console would be asking for it to break off. I would like additional information and perhaps an after market fix could be arranged or added to the kit with other material. Thanks

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posted 02-15-2015 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Retro Rocket   Click Here to Email Retro Rocket     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish I had known about this, I have a set of blueprints just for the wheels given to me by the designer Ferenc Pavlics!

The price is about where I'd expect for a complete 3D printed model. At this point you should consider using Kickstarter to do a production kit. I could ask if Pegasus would be interested if you want.

This really is a great example of what CAD/RP processes can create. Great job!

Also, how big? I don't know the LRV dimensions by heart...

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posted 02-16-2015 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kosmo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by moonguyron:
I would like additional information and perhaps an after market fix could be arranged or added to the kit with other material.
Brass etched seat belts would probably work great, were the belts fastened on the side of the seat, at the center, they are rigid, so you could get them to stand up, you could then bend the brass to represent the rest of the belt and the hook for the outboard handhold connection. Brass would also allow for buckle details etc. I would think the map holders could be done in brass also.


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