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jjknap
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posted 07-29-2014 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A couple years ago I was spending a lot of money on Dragon's models. I don't think they have released anything new in more than a year. Does anyone know what happened?

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posted 07-29-2014 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, same here... seems like at least a year since they released anything new in their Aerospace line, and I haven't seen any recent catalog updates either.

On the one hand, I didn't mind a bit of a break as I'd somewhat neglected other areas of my collection in favor of models for a while... but there were several announced releases that I was looking forward to, of which I've heard nothing since.

As noted previously here, the 1:400 Endeavour/MLP was announced and is now apparently in some sort of limbo... maybe that's a harbinger? Perhaps sales of the series have stalled and they've back-burnered further releases. No telling with Dragon, apparently.

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posted 07-29-2014 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope they still will come with the Saturn IB 1/72 version.

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posted 07-30-2014 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agree! And a 1/72 Mercury Atlas and Gemini Titan as well to round out the (early U.S. crewed spacecraft) line in that scale. But the Saturn IB would be especially nice, you're right.

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posted 07-30-2014 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GoesTo11:
As noted previously here, the 1:400 Endeavour/MLP was announced and is now apparently in some sort of limbo...
Although that model has made its way back to Dragon Models USA with a March 2014 release date... Only the Discovery model was announced on Dragon's website; Atlantis was mentioned on Dragon USA only. The latest models announced were ISS models back in May 2012. Since then, as pointed out, nothing. Dragon Wings (Airlines) and Dragon Warbirds follow the same trend.

My guess is that they not only flooded the market with models that were not that appropriate (the Delta II series for example) and may have rebutted collectors (quality of their models being one major factor) but are now focusing on more (?) lucrative markets like World War II and Marvel comics. I'm not sure that the space market is that big, compared to warbirds for example.

That being said, Robert pointed out in another thread that Dragon was working on new models. We'll see.

As for the 1:72 scale models, I agree that the Saturn 1B, Atlas, Titan models would be nice. And throw a shuttle of that size, and it would be perfect.

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posted 07-30-2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by cspg:
I'm not sure that the space market is that big, compared to warbirds for example.
It's microscopic compared to WW2. I know someone who does marketing for another Japanese model maker and he's assured me several times that WW2 models, especially German aircraft and armor, have dominated the market since the 60s with no sign of stopping.

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posted 07-31-2014 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Careos   Click Here to Email Careos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Several of the Dragon things are re-releasing.

I believe the Challenger and Endeavour stacks are now available, the 1/72 Skylab kit and a few others.

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posted 07-31-2014 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What Challenger stack?

We were referring to the Shuttle on the MLP and crawler. Discovery and Atlantis have been produced, Endeavour "announced" but has yet to hit the stores. Correction: Dragon Models USA mentions August as a release date, so it may be finally coming out.

As for re-releases, that's very true for Warbirds. Dragon is now grouping aircraft and sell them as pair (to lower their inventories?).

The only space re-release I've spotted is "1/72 Apollo 11 "First Lunar Landing" CSM + Lunar Module + Astronauts" under a new item number.

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posted 07-31-2014 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cspg:
What Challenger stack?
I believe this one. I've seen the others in the "Memorable Missions" series in good supply at NASA visitor center gift shops.

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posted 07-31-2014 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Those have always been easy to find (Flying Mule), no?

jjknap
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posted 07-31-2014 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My issue is not that I can't find the released models; it is the lack of anything new coming out.

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posted 08-01-2014 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Same here. I was hoping to see the 1/400 ISS by now and perhaps some more 1/400 Soviet stuff (Vostok/Voskhod would be nice).

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posted 08-01-2014 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Careos   Click Here to Email Careos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I was referring to the memorable missions one. Sorry for the confusion. I just hope that Dragon continues the trend and we see all launchers in 1/72 soon. I got kits to buy and never build!

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posted 08-01-2014 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by jjknap:
My issue is not that I can't find the released models; it is the lack of anything new coming out.
Too many (similar) models came out over a "short" period of time and since we're clueless as to the level of sales of this line of product, we can continue guessing as to what's going on. The fact that it affects the Warbirds and Airline lines as well is more troublesome to me than anything else.

If you look at other manufacturers (Hobby Master, Century Wings, Corgi, Falcon Models, Herpa — ones I'm familiar with! ), the ratio of actually new models (new molds) to variants of existing aircraft would tend to prove that even in the Warbirds field, the actual number of truly "new" models is relatively low (I have too many F-5/T-38, for example, with 4 yet to come).

And as pointed out earlier, Warbirds is far bigger market than rockets. No one knows if it's financially worth it to produce those models (probably is with Bandai since they re-released Apollo 11 along Apollo 13, but even then I'm not so sure).

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posted 08-13-2014 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blastr42   Click Here to Email blastr42     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by cspg:
As for the 1:72 scale models, I agree that the Saturn 1B, Atlas, Titan models would be nice. And throw a shuttle of that size, and it would be perfect.
I'd prefer to see more of the 1:400 scale stuff (or 1:72 for capsules only). I'm a propulsion engineer and I have all my 1:400 models lined up in front of posters of launch vehicles and I can tell other engineers how the vehicles are similar and different and how they learned from each other. It's very instructive to show how a Long March is like a Soyuz, or a Delta II is like a Saturn Ib and a Saturn Ib like the Saturn V, or the Ariane 5 like the Shuttle or Titan III.

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posted 01-02-2016 08:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone heard anything about Dragon's space line recently?

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posted 01-03-2016 08:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No. They've launched their Star Wars models recently. As for space models, my guess is that they've flooded the market with many similar models with some quality issues. They probably put their line on hiatus or they cancelled everything.

That being said some models from their existing line showed up on the Flying Mule website but I don't know if Dragon has produced more models or if they're getting rid of their inventories...

jjknap
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posted 01-03-2016 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Too bad. If they had produced more models of rockets/spacecraft that were "different" I would have continued to add to my collection. A Viking Lander and a Skylab Workshop were at the top of my list.

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posted 01-04-2016 04:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Note that it's not only their space line models which is affected: I haven't seen anything new in their aircraft line, both civil and military for the past two years.

jjknap
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posted 12-18-2017 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone heard an from Dragon? Are they out of the space business now?

Editor's note: Threads merged.

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posted 12-19-2017 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Their space models are still listed on their website, like their commercial airliners (Dragon Wings) and military airplanes (Warbirds) but Dragon has not produced any new models for 4-5 years now. Are they out of business? No — they produce military WW2 vehicles. Out of space business? I have no idea.

Edit: I emailed Dragon Models USA. We'll see.

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posted 12-19-2017 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jjknap   Click Here to Email jjknap     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

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