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bdipaolo
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posted 03-25-2014 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bdipaolo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When oh when will someone do a Gemini-Titan!

keymichael1855
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posted 03-25-2014 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keymichael1855   Click Here to Email keymichael1855     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aren't there some really nice 1:72 scale kits out there? Or are you looking for a 1:48 scale?

AussiePete
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posted 03-25-2014 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AussiePete   Click Here to Email AussiePete     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to keep scales the same for large models but 1/72 for Mercury and Gemini is pretty small.

I was looking at RealSpace for their 1/72 in resin.

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posted 03-25-2014 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bdipaolo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not think any of the Gemini Titan kits is very good.

RealSpace's was a disappointment vis-à-vis the interstage and row of exhaust ports below it (molded closed not open), the main engine mount and 2nd stage engine.

There are the details that make the Titan really different and interesting. What I desire is a fully stageable, accurate Titan II booster that can be paired with the Dragon 1:72 Gemini capsule and then put next to the 1:72 Saturn V and Mercury Redstone.

Have you seen the terrific 2D CAD renderings by Robert Blaske? I have lots of reference photos too.

keymichael1855
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posted 03-25-2014 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for keymichael1855   Click Here to Email keymichael1855     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Barrett, I don't know much about the Titan, so thanks for the information on what is lacking about the available kits.

I would probably produce the booster in 1:48 for those that would like a larger one, keeping in mind that you would like to have one in 1:72. As long as I'm careful, it would scale down pretty easily.

We will put this on the radar for the future. Thanks!

Ronpur
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posted 03-25-2014 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I keep hoping Dragon will do a Titan or Mercury Atlas in 1/72 scale. But... I am still hoping...

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posted 03-26-2014 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bdipaolo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Michael, glad to be on your radar! Thanks.
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Originally posted by Ronpur:
I keep hoping Dragon will do a Titan or Mercury Atlas in 1/72 scale.
Yes, it would be awesome to have a full set from Dragon of all manned boosters from Redstone through Saturn V, maybe even STS, in the same 1:72 scale.

My little Redstone next to my Saturn V always amazes me as to what the USA accomplished in just 7 years. Really rather incredible when you look at how long every new system takes these days. I mean, for Orion there is scheduled 3 YEARS between the first and seond test flights and at least 7 years(!) between first test flight and first manned flight. Sad. Sorry for off-topic rant.

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posted 03-26-2014 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bdipaolo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Until someone makes a kit or 3D print that looks like this (this and this) I will not be happy in this life!

bdipaolo
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posted 04-04-2014 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bdipaolo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are neat from kcespedes on Shapeways, in 1:54 scale. Intended for flying model, but could be static.

Beau08
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posted 04-04-2014 06:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know this thread is about plastic models, but thought I would represent the flying type. Made this from scratch and added the second staging and used aluminum tubing for the motor struts and piping.

mode1charlie
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posted 04-05-2014 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mode1charlie   Click Here to Email mode1charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
New Ware Models based in the Czech Republic does the full series of five Titan rockets (available as a set, or separately) in 1:144.

I don't own it, but I have several other of their models, and they are of outstanding quality. They are a reliable company as well and have been in business a number of years.

garymilgrom
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posted 04-05-2014 08:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for garymilgrom   Click Here to Email garymilgrom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beau that's a beautiful model of a Gemini Titan. Do you have photos of it flying?

apolloprojeckt
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posted 04-05-2014 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice, top piece!!!

Beau08
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posted 04-05-2014 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beau08   Click Here to Email Beau08     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. Sorry no pictures of flight. I retire them before I break them to pieces. I am building my own "History of Rockets" and am currently of the Saturn 1B.

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posted 04-07-2014 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bdipaolo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes the NewWare models are nice, but small in 1:144. I wish they would scale up to 1:72.

Columbia409
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posted 09-04-2014 11:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Columbia409   Click Here to Email Columbia409     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm a new member who finished New Ware's 1:144 Gemini-Titan (Gemini IV) recently! Can't believe the detail New Ware has put into the airframe and capsule.

Decided to have the stages separate and scratch-build the second stage tanks fore and aft. Added a little detail to the engine area and tank dome on the first stage. The Gemini capsule is a bit smaller than my thumb! The blue-green blob on the gold foil is "stick-em" used to hold the capsule on the Titan II.

Unfortunately, today's cameras show all the flaws! I'm sure other modelers will be able to do a better job than my example and skills of modest means. Comments welcome.

Columbia409
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posted 09-04-2014 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Columbia409   Click Here to Email Columbia409     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Columbia409
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posted 09-04-2014 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Columbia409   Click Here to Email Columbia409     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Norman.King
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posted 09-04-2014 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Norman.King   Click Here to Email Norman.King     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It looks like you've done a fine job to me, and welcome to the forum.

Ronpur
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posted 09-04-2014 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is pretty amazing!

apolloprojeckt
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posted 09-04-2014 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for apolloprojeckt   Click Here to Email apolloprojeckt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice!!

GrantV
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posted 09-05-2014 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrantV   Click Here to Email GrantV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very nice job!

One question - did you use pins or something similar to keep the Gemini Titan stack together? I have the New Ware kit as well, and would like to be able to disassemble it to show the individual stages, but am worried about knocking the stack and sending stages flying.

Columbia409
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posted 09-06-2014 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Columbia409   Click Here to Email Columbia409     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank You!

I had to modify the support arms to hold the 1st stage securely in place since I had destroyed the resin engine support arms. Only the "v" shaped resin facing the camera was used. The rest was different gauge piano wire from the hobby store which is why the connection points are so globby-looking. I even added smaller gauge wire to do the alternating side supports.

The 2nd stage simply rests on the first, so should the cabinet be bumped both the capsule and 2nd stage will tumble off. I had planned to add small short wires (4) to keep the 2nd stage from shifting, but decided that I wanted to keep it accurate. I may change my mind in the future. Additionally, I could have drilled small holes into the bottom of the 2nd stage (vs just having the short wires inside the 2nd stage flange), but was unsure the resin would remain intact. So, I didn't do it.

For the capsule, I used the rear facing thrusters as the holes for the blowout conduits that I scratch-built from 1/700 scale naval gun barrels. The barrels were to stick into the thrusters and hold the capsule. Seemed like a good idea in theory; however the capsule didn't fit as snug and had to use the blue-green "stick-'em" to hold it better. I didn't remove the stuff from the foil for the picture for fear of tearing it. So I'm praying no one bumps my cabinet. Since the 1st stage is very stable on the support arms, I'm thinking that will absorb most of the potential bumping.

Good Luck on your project and please post some pictures!

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posted 07-20-2015 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Messier111     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RealSpace upgrades 2015: the Gemini and other kits are much improved!

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