Space News
space history and artifacts articles

Messages
space history discussion forums

Sightings
worldwide astronaut appearances

Resources
selected space history documents

Websites
related space history websites

  collectSPACE: Messages
  Models & Toys
  Apollo mobile launch platform paper models

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Apollo mobile launch platform paper models
JWoytach
Member

Posts: 45
From: North Ridgeville, OH, USA
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 10-20-2011 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JWoytach   Click Here to Email JWoytach     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see ads on eBay for paper models, in various scales, for the Apollo MLP and gantry. I recently finished the 4D Saturn V model, and it just cries out for an equally detailed launch platform model.

I was wondering if anyone here has ever assembled on of these paper models and could comment on it (detail, difficulty assembling, etc.)

Spaceguy5
Member

Posts: 400
From: Pampa, TX, US
Registered: May 2011

posted 10-20-2011 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceguy5   Click Here to Email Spaceguy5     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are these the ones you're thinking of? Personally, I build paper models all the time and have found many to be very superior in detail compared to plastic, mainly because intricate details can be printed in place and because they're much easier to modify. The only thing is that many people don't like cutting out all the tiny pieces, or the precision required in folding and gluing. It can be quite time consuming.

That same company is also making a space shuttle MLP/crawler/launch pad. So far the MLP and crawler look absolutely amazing.

JWoytach
Member

Posts: 45
From: North Ridgeville, OH, USA
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 10-20-2011 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JWoytach   Click Here to Email JWoytach     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is the model I was referring to.

Space Geek FL
Member

Posts: 20
From: Inverness, FL, USA
Registered: Oct 2011

posted 10-20-2011 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Space Geek FL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm new to posting but have been reading collectSPACE for many years. I enjoy the paper models also but I have started using them along with NASA pictures as a guide to build more durable launch pads.

I am almost finished with Apollo era MLP and tower. Just working on the swing arms. I'm about half way with LC 34 complex. I have built them to the 1/200 scale to go with my Man in Space Rocket collection. My dream is to one day market these.

PeterO
Member

Posts: 191
From: Rochester, NH
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 10-20-2011 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterO   Click Here to Email PeterO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JWoytach:
Here is the model I was referring to.
Edu-Craft and d-condave on eBay are the same individual. The Edu-Craft page has several links to d-condave's eBay store.

Jonjonzilla
Member

Posts: 41
From: Edinburgh, Scotland
Registered: May 2007

posted 10-27-2011 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jonjonzilla   Click Here to Email Jonjonzilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am a paper modeler and I have most of the kits and so I would like to offer my opinion on them. I have been a happy customer since the initial 1/144 LUT kit which I purchased out of curiosity and the fact it was/is the best reference model for anyone interested in making their own version in more durable mediums. I am also a Steel Detailer, so to me these represent the pinnacle of steel detailing.

The LUT Kits:

  • The 1/144 Version: This was my first kit I got and it is very good. I was impressed by the Photo realism of the Swing Arms, They are easily assembled boxes with an image over laid on them to simulate the details and look of the actual item. In the 1/144 scale it does work quite well and is genuinely impressive when looked at from many different angles and distances. As said my kit is one of the earlier and I was not too fond of the paper chosen, it was a bit weak and too glossy.

  • The 1/96 Version: I also picked this one up and I am disappointed with it. It is a very basic enlargement of the 1/144 kit and so the image can be quite blurry and pixilated, there was no apparent tidying up of the details post enlargement. This was a pity as it is still quite a nice piece of work and certainly more impressive in a bigger scale. Again this was a very early release purchase and so I felt the paper was still a bit soft. I attempted this particular kit but that was when I lived in Ireland and moving here was not easy so I have had to abandon it. The seller does offer replacement sheets for individual sale and I hope that I will at some point purchase the ones I used up in the 1st attempt.

  • The 1/70 Version. I was hesitant to get this but the eBay listing did state that there were additional details etc so I did purchase it. This is a great kit and is genuinely a first rate model. Obviously at this scale it is not for everyone but if you have the room for it you will not be disappointed. It is indeed full of details and the images are crisper and clearer than expected. Again it's a massive undertaking but with the Dragon 1:72 kit about to be released this might be a fitting platform to display the model.
The Crawler Kits:
I have not purchased any of these kits; I do not have any interest in the crawlers and I also feel that the weathering (dirtying up the model to simulate use) is excessive. They look like they have been through a swamp. If modeled for the Apollo era they were not that dirty, even nowadays they are not this dirty.
Shuttle MLP:
I have only purchased the 1/44 MLP for the shuttle era but I can advise it is a great kit and I will be getting the 1/72 version at some point. I just hope the 1/72 is not a simple scale up and that a bit more effort in tidying up the pixels has been done. The physical and the image detail on the 1/144 version is amazing and really captures the MLP well, obviously being one of the newest kits he has developed he is getting better with the process. This is also the 1st component of a full RSS structure like the old Revell Kit that he is offering, I can't wait for that kit.
Durability
Well it is paper so you have to be extra careful with it. I do not know what the current paper type is for all the kits but they have been improved on from the original 1/144 LUT to the 1/72 LUT and 1/144 MLP I received. The printing is by Laser and so the image is adhered to the surface, rather than ink where it soaks in a bit. This means that when you fold a corner a piece you end up with the pigment flaking off and giving you very white edges. This can be remedied by using an appropriately coloured pencil and running over the white edge. The kits are also advised to keep out of strong sunlight, they will eventually fade as printed items do, I do not know how long this might take but I also know there are sprays that offer UV filter protection etc. I would recommend them to protect your work.
Assembly:
The assembly is straight forward but there is a certain lack of alignment or matching points for the members so I end upI would advise that you treat it like an assembly line. You have more than 120 of the Bracing Tube sections and so I would sit down with a copy of Apollo 13 or from The Earth to the Moon and build them all in one go, just create a little box of them and separate boxes for all the other repeat members and get them all done in one roll. It will make it so much easier if you can reach for a pre assembled member to add to a larger section rather than cutting, folding and gluing one as required. I would also recommend starting with small repeat members as final vertical assembly will progress quicker and more rewarding rather than getting the larger overall structure done and then spending ages filling in the smaller members. By planning the assembly path out correctly the over all accomplishment for time spent will be a lot more rewarding if you. It is possible to get the base and the overall tower done in one week or less but when you are cutting and assembling repetitive members for 3 or 4 weeks the sense of accomplishment will wane.
Okay, that's my two pence, I do recommend the kits and I will continue to be a customer of the series.

PeterO
Member

Posts: 191
From: Rochester, NH
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 10-27-2011 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterO   Click Here to Email PeterO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the excellent reviews! I've been considering the 1/144 version for a long time.

ilbasso
Member

Posts: 1493
From: Greensboro, NC USA
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 06-01-2012 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone actually built one of the paper LUTs available on eBay? My curiosity got the better of me - I ordered one for my 4D Saturn V and just received it this week.

The instructions state that you can save over 85% of the work if you choose to use the printed photo of the sides of the LUT rather than building all of the girders and internal structure. I'm trying to decide how industrious or lazy I am feeling these days.

h00ktern
New Member

Posts: 8
From:
Registered: Jan 2011

posted 06-01-2012 06:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for h00ktern     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I received mine a week or two ago. There appear to be no misrepresentations on how tedious the work may be at times, and resolve will ensure that you have a really nice piece in the end.

I am waiting until I can devote some concentrated time to this project. I believe attention to detail, and careful assembly will produce a worthy display piece.

I think the earlier caution of UV protection is warranted - I will look into some form of UV blocking clearcoat, as I do not have UV blocking glass in my display cases yet.

Please keep the thread updated with your progress. I don't foresee getting to mine in the near future.

Edit: see this thread [Fine Scale Modeler] that gives a nice write-up / photo documentation of the build - pages 1-3.

Ronpur
Member

Posts: 211
From: Brandon, Fl
Registered: May 2012

posted 06-01-2012 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ronpur   Click Here to Email Ronpur     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that tower does build up rather impressively. But, I would need 3 for my 500 Saturn, Apollo 11 and Skylab. Not to mention one for the Skylab 1B with a milkstool!!

ilbasso
Member

Posts: 1493
From: Greensboro, NC USA
Registered: Feb 2006

posted 06-02-2012 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the link to the buildup thread - very informative. It looks like you just have to roll up your sleeves and dive in. Might be a fun project to take to the beach with me this summer...but then how do I get it home?

tegwilym
Member

Posts: 2284
From: Renton, WA USA
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 06-04-2012 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do the parts come apart in the 1/72 scale model LUT? I pre-ordered the next July re-release of the Saturn V. That tower looks very cool, but do you have to cut out each piece by hand? That would drive me nuts.

I've done smaller paper models that I had to cut out and it was just a ton of work for a small model.

PeterO
Member

Posts: 191
From: Rochester, NH
Registered: Mar 2002

posted 06-04-2012 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeterO   Click Here to Email PeterO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The parts are simply printed on heavy card stock. They must be individually cut out and scored before folding.

ApolloManiacs
Member

Posts: 29
From: Tokyo, Japan
Registered: Aug 2003

posted 06-05-2012 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ApolloManiacs   Click Here to Email ApolloManiacs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I built 1/144 scale version. Here are some photos of mine.

ApolloManiacs
Member

Posts: 29
From: Tokyo, Japan
Registered: Aug 2003

posted 06-05-2012 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ApolloManiacs   Click Here to Email ApolloManiacs     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With flood lights:

tegwilym
Member

Posts: 2284
From: Renton, WA USA
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 06-05-2012 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PeterO:
The parts are simply printed on heavy card stock. They must be individually cut out and scored before folding.
Ouch! That will be tedious. I see myself making a few trips to the doctor also as I cut my fingers open with the hobby knife too!

All times are CT (US)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply
Hop to:

Contact Us | The Source for Space History & Artifacts

Copyright 1999-2012 collectSPACE.com All rights reserved.


Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.47a





advertisement