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Topic: Lunar Landing Research Vehicle artifacts
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holcombeyates Member Posts: 243 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 01-05-2018 06:57 AM
Can anyone please point me in the direction of any of the following please... - A copy of the incident investigation report into Armstrong's crash in the Lunar Landing Research Vehicle (LLRV).
- Location of any equipment or components from his crashed LLRV.
Any ideas where his ejector seat is stored or even better displayed? Thanks again! |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-09-2018 08:02 AM
- NASA SP-2004-4535: The Lunar Landing Research Vehicle may offer some clues. Pages 142-145 cover the crash of LLRV No. 1.
- According to a NASA fact sheet, LLRV No. 2 was returned to Dryden Flight Research Center, now NASA Neil A. Armstrong Flight Research Center (AFRC), at Edwards AFB, CA. where it was placed on display.
- According to a NASA Technology Facts, LLTV B3, the last of the three training vehicles built, is on public display at the Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX.
- This Neil Armstrong LLRV presentation may be of interest, as may this NASA Gallery.
- This photo is of particular interest as it shows the LLRV being moved for temporary display. It may still be at the Air Force Flight Test Museum at Edwards — they are probably the best people to ask.
- Finally this NASA link on System Failure Case Studies is interesting too.
[On Edit 10-Jan-2018]- Close-up images of the JSC-displayed LLTV NASA 952. Also on display, and featured in the JSC image sequence above, is the rotational hand controller recovered from the 8 December 1968 crash of LLTV No. 1.
- NASA correspondence related to the investigation into the crash of LLTV 1.
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thisismills Member Posts: 263 From: Michigan Registered: Mar 2012
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posted 01-09-2018 03:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by YankeeClipper: It may still be at the Air Force Flight Test Museum[ at Edwards — they are probably the best people to ask.
In November 2017, I went on a tour of Edwards, which included the AFFTC museum. The LLRV is there, inside the main museum building. I was told by museum staff that in a few years time, thanks in part to a recent large donation, the museum would be relocated outside of the main gate. This is a welcome change, allowing anyone to see all the amazing artifacts without having to obtain base clearance. In the meantime, here are details for those interested in visiting the museum. |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-10-2018 12:01 PM
NASA Technical Note TN D-3023 Design & Operational Characteristics of a Lunar-Landing Research Vehicle has great information. Details about the Weber Ejection Seat are on page 13. |
holcombeyates Member Posts: 243 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 01-12-2018 04:30 AM
This is great info — many thanks. Great photo of the hand controller.Will keep hunting for the report into Armstrong's crash. |
Robert Pearlman Editor Posts: 42981 From: Houston, TX Registered: Nov 1999
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posted 01-12-2018 09:14 AM
Just to avoid any possible confusion, the hand controller is from LLTV no. 1 (as noted), which was piloted by Joseph Algranti; not LLRV no. 1, which was the craft Armstrong crashed.I am not aware of any display, or archive of the wreckage of LLRV no. 1. |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-12-2018 11:11 AM
A little NASA background note on LLRV No. 2.Partially restored by a movie company in the late 1990s, one of the two original Lunar Landing Research Vehicles remains on limited display today at NASA Dryden. |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-17-2018 11:00 PM
A few more references you may find interesting: |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-18-2018 01:28 AM
Go For Lunar Landing Conference, March 4 -5, 2008, Tempe, AZ. Both presentations from LLRV/LLTV personnel have useful material. |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-18-2018 01:53 AM
This passage from p.140 of NASA SP-2004-4535 explains the violent nature of LLRV/LLTV crashes:The presence of both fuels created a volatile combination. Later, after the crashes of LLRV No. 1 and LLTV No. 1, Deke Slayton–director of flight crew operations at the MSC–changed the policy regarding the role of firemen and other personnel. His comments are revealing:Hydrogen peroxide [H2O2] and JP-4 [jet fuel] make an extremely hazardous combination that has proven to be not only inflammable and self-igniting, but also shock sensitive, i.e., it will explode, releasing energy equivalent of dynamite. We have had two incidents where just a few ounces of 90 percent H2O2 was sprayed on a JP-4-soaked rag during a demonstration and it detonated of its own accord, rattling nearby windows. Besides the H2O2/JP-4 hazard, the vehicle has 4000 psi He [helium] pressure and lesser pressures that are just as dangerous as explosives when their containers have been subjected to structural and heat damage. |
YankeeClipper Member Posts: 617 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Mar 2011
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posted 01-18-2018 02:39 AM
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holcombeyates Member Posts: 243 From: UK Registered: Dec 2010
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posted 01-18-2018 07:46 AM
Thanks, great info. Many thanks. |
onesmallstep Member Posts: 1310 From: Staten Island, New York USA Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 01-30-2018 04:57 PM
For the record; the last LLTV (NASA 952) is on display at NASA Johnson in a building that also features a mural by Bob McCall, but is not on regular public tour stops. Only NASA employees or guests may view it at present. |
Spacepsycho Member Posts: 818 From: Huntington Beach, Calif. Registered: Aug 2004
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posted 02-12-2018 09:20 AM
If anyone is interested I videotaped Neil's Armstrong's White Paper presentation about the LLTV he gave at the SETP in Disneyland around 2003-04. I don't know how to transfer it to DVD or download it to my computer but it was a fascinating talk. I also have photos of the LLTV located at Dryden, yes I know it's now Armstrong, but to old farts like me who've been going there since the 70s, it will always be Dryden. |