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Rocket Chris
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posted 03-03-2011 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocket Chris   Click Here to Email Rocket Chris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know what kind of material these protective hatch tapes are (as seen on the image below)?

How are these protective tapes called? I just heard that they got a teflon layer. I'm just curious if such a tape could also be purchased as a collective item. Or is this item also defeated by ITAR laws.

Jeff
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posted 03-03-2011 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeff   Click Here to Email Jeff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While watching the most recent launch, I thought I heard them say they were Armalon.

hoorenz
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posted 03-03-2011 01:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hoorenz   Click Here to Email hoorenz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Armalon itself is not tape. You might have noticed they close the hatch first, and then slide it out. The Armalon is attached with tape (it is where the bit of tile got stuck on during the 133 launch preps).

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posted 03-03-2011 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocket Chris   Click Here to Email Rocket Chris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...so its a kind of glas fibre reinforced plastic foil with a PTFE (Teflon) layer?

Anyone got a clue where to get a sample or even used Armalon foil from Close out ops?

benguttery
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posted 03-05-2011 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In aviation there is a product called "100 mile an hour tape." Some people call it duck or duct tape.

I am thinking there is something better for Mach 25.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-05-2011 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by benguttery:
I am thinking there is something better for Mach 25.
There is, it is called Mach 25 tape.

SpaceAholic
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posted 03-05-2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
25,000 MPH tape (carried and used on the Apollo CMs).

Fezman92
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posted 03-05-2011 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fezman92   Click Here to Email Fezman92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by hoorenz:
The Armalon is attached with tape (it is where the bit of tile got stuck on during the 133 launch preps).
So they used duct tape to get the tiles to stay in place then? Cool. So glad I have a roll in my desk. Should have astronauts sign duct tape instead of photos. lol

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-05-2011 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Funny. For the record, tiles are not attached by tape. Tiles are affixed to the orbiter using a Nomex felt pad and RTV silicone.

And I could be wrong, but my guess would be the tape holding the Armalon is not duct tape, but rather masking tape.

Fezman92
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posted 03-05-2011 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Fezman92   Click Here to Email Fezman92     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Masking tape? Really? That would make a great Q&A with one of the engineers. You know a nice random question along the lines of "So what does hold the orbiter together? Masking tape or duct tape?" lol

benguttery
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posted 03-05-2011 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is one of the many fascinating concepts with space flight. With normal aeronautics you build objects to take some abuse such as landings. Space vehicles have a different group factors to be dealt with. The first time I saw photos inside the shuttle wing made me realize what a delicate vehicle it is. Delicate on one hand, but able to fly at amazing speed and temperatures. Still an impressive flying machine decades after ALT and STS-1.

Robert Pearlman
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posted 03-05-2011 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fezman92:
So what does hold the orbiter together?
The tape in question is holding temporary ground support equipment (GSE), which is removed before flight.

Rocket Chris
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posted 03-06-2011 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rocket Chris   Click Here to Email Rocket Chris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...just to clarify all kinds of tapes: the inner ring of the crew hatch as shown on the image above (orange shining) is taped with kapton, right? (I also got a 3M roll here).

Rob, the duct tape you mentioned... is it also made by 3M? Do you have a specific ID?

Now that every tape question is cleared, let's get back to the Armalon question.

spaceman
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posted 03-06-2011 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaceman   Click Here to Email spaceman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Find out a bit more about Armalon here.

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