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Topic: Preserving, storing and framing flown flags
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thump
Member Posts: 555
From: washington dc usa
Registered: May 2004
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posted 01-09-2008 12:05 PM
   
I've just received a flown STS-118 American Flag presentation, and while it came in a nice presentation folder, I would like to frame it. I've seen other flags where the glue used to adhere it to the cardboard paper presentation has shown through the flag. If I put this in a certificate type frame for now, where the flag is flush with the glass, is this yellowing possible? Thank you for any thoughts/ideas! |
Go4Launch
Member Posts: 389
From: Bethesda, MD
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 01-09-2008 02:29 PM
It's my belief the yellowing is caused by a chemical change in the glue over time. Whether this is caused or exacerbated by exposure to UV I'm not sure, so it would be interesting to hear from someone who has a glued flown flag they've always kept out of the light. The again it may also be possible NASA may be using a better glue these days -- the yellowing I've seen has been with flags from the 70's and 80's... |
Rick Mulheirn
Member Posts: 2352
From: England
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 01-09-2008 04:24 PM
I have an STS-1 flown flag presentation I acquired from Lunar Legacies some years ago. I can only presume that this had been kept out of sunlight. The discolouration to the flag by the adhesive is, comparison with many identical presentations I have seen over the years, minimal. |
albatron
Member Posts: 2049
From: Stuart, Florida, USA
Registered: Jun 2000
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posted 01-09-2008 07:16 PM
Don't use tape, any type tape, or glue. It does yellow. While I was selling Paul Weitz's flown flags and patches, he had already had them done up in a nice presentation, but it applies to flags as well. Rather than glue them or tape them, he would have them stitched to the matting, flags in the four corners, as applicable with the patches. I stole his idea for use with Al Worden's flags when I was selling those for him. Stitching them to the matting. I would put a picture of the CM in orbit and he would sign them in the space provided certifying the flag was flown as Weitz did on his presentations. We made them on 10x13 or 11x14 mattes and they frame easily. |
MrSpace86
Member Posts: 1355
From: Gardner, KS, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 02-20-2008 08:33 AM
I recently obtained a presentation that contains a flown flag from the STS-41D mission. The signatures are starting to fade severely and some of the pics are warped from moisture or sunlight. I was thinking about taking it apart and taking bits and pieces of it to put it into my album since the presentation is in bad shape and I don't have space on my wall. What do you guys think I should do if you were in my chair? Would doing what I propose ruin the value of the item or make it slightly more attractive? |
RMH
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posted 02-20-2008 09:25 AM
I think if you separate the flag from the presentation you sort of lose the provenance. True you still have the certificate and the flag (separately) but, in my opinion, it loses a little something. I wouldn't buy such a split up presentation, therefore I think it would lose value. However, if you feel that separating it would make it look nicer, and you don't care about value, then that sounds like a good idea. I'm sure others will differ from my opinion. |
MrSpace86
Member Posts: 1355
From: Gardner, KS, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted 02-20-2008 12:47 PM
Yes, it would lose value and I thought about that but I probably wont sell any of my stuff anytime soon! I would take a picture of it before "cutting" it up and then putting them in my own format. |
Kevmac
Member Posts: 185
From: College Station, TX
Registered: Apr 2003
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posted 06-03-2008 05:46 PM
I'm soliciting advice for what words to put on a certificate that will be framed with a shuttle-flown US flag and mission patch. Has anyone designed their own certificate to go with their framed display or received something with words they thought were very appropriate? |
astronut
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posted 06-07-2008 08:23 PM
I had a 12x18" Texas state flag flown on Apollo 12 framed a few years ago. I paid for museum grade framing and had the flag "floated" over the mat. It was carefully sewn to the "float" mat. |
bthumble
Member Posts: 152
From: Houston, Texas USA
Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 02-19-2010 09:37 PM
I have a few flown flag presentations and certificates that I would like to put in some type of storage sleeves. Any suggestions on something that will protect, yet the item will not stick to the sleeve?Editor's note: Threads merged |
bthumble
Member Posts: 152
From: Houston, Texas USA
Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 03-01-2010 03:05 PM
I am still unsure of what to store some of my flown flags on certificate and other NASA related certificates. Any suggestions on what type of clear sleeve to use that will not stick or harm the items. Thanks. |
daveblog
Member Posts: 129
From: Bergenfield, NJ USA
Registered: May 2004
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posted 03-01-2010 04:49 PM
Have you looked into the sleeves available from archivalmethods.com? I have been using their sleeves for my autographed photos without issue so far. |
bthumble
Member Posts: 152
From: Houston, Texas USA
Registered: Nov 2007
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posted 03-01-2010 04:52 PM
Do they have sleeves that will go in binders with the proper holes? |
garyd2831
Member Posts: 368
From: Syracuse, New York, USA
Registered: Oct 2009
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posted 12-23-2012 11:02 AM
Here is my latest framing job which includes a flown American flag from Apollo 12 from Moonpans, Apollo 12 crew signed picture, from Steve Smith, Apollo 12 patch from Chris Spain and Navy Astronaut wings, from eBay. The flag certificate is just just hidden under the matting and was not cut or damaged in any way.What does everyone think?  
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garyd2831
Member Posts: 368
From: Syracuse, New York, USA
Registered: Oct 2009
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posted 02-25-2013 01:22 PM
Here is my latest flown flag creation. Gemini IV flown American flag display which includes an Ed White signed cover that is "tilted" from behind the matting in order to show the signature straight (it is not a cut signature), copied portraits of White and McDivitt from a vintage Gemini IV launch witness certificate that I purchased off of eBay, the crew patch from Novaspace and Air Force Astronaut wings, vintage look non polished type. What does the space collecting community think?  
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328KF
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posted 02-25-2013 05:40 PM
Love it! The blue suede mat looks really nice, and the portraits are a nice touch. A couple of questions:Did you stitch the flag to the back mat material or attach it otherwise? I bought the correct size sleeves from Archival Methods mentioned above, and I plan to frame it inside that sleeve. It is virtually invisible, holds the flag stiff and keeps it from "drooping", and I can use acid free tape behind it without worrying about staining the flag. Also, do you know if the wings are correct for the time period that GT-4 flew? For those who didn't realize it, I believe those flags are the same ones the crew put on their spacesuits as the first unofficial crew patch. Having seen close-up shots of the actual flags on the suits, they appear to be of the same material and the stars and stripes are identical, including the slight overlap of the red stripes into the blue area. Thanks. Again, great job! |
garyd2831
Member Posts: 368
From: Syracuse, New York, USA
Registered: Oct 2009
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posted 02-25-2013 06:32 PM
The flag is mounted with acid free double sided tape to a white board and the board is mound the blue suede matted opening.The Air Force Astronaut Wings did come out in the 1960s, I just don't know exactly when. These wings are a modern day made wing and not a vintage sterling set like these ones. |
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