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Larry McGlynn
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If we are talking about the Grissom gold 1969 Apollo 11 Omega Speedmaster, S/N 4, then as an update, that watch was sold privately to a doctor last year. It is in a private collection now.

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Omega's new Snoopy Speedmaster watch marks 45 years since Apollo 13

What do actor Ed Harris, comic strip beagle Snoopy, NASA astronaut Jack Swigert and James Bond have in common? A new wristwatch celebrating the 45th anniversary of Apollo 13.

Swiss watchmaker Omega, which prior to gaining fame for timepieces used in the Olympics and the "007" films was known for making the first watch worn on the moon, has revealed its latest edition of the Speedmaster chronograph used by the astronauts. The announcement was made at Baselworld, the annual watch and jewelry trade fair held in Basel, Switzerland, on Wednesday (March 18).

"The Omega Speedmaster Apollo 13 Silver Snoopy Award pays homage to the unforgettable mission 45 years ago," Omega stated in its release. "[It] celebrates the teamwork, quick thinking, ingenuity and courage that brought [Apollo 13] commander Jim Lovell, command module pilot Jack Swigert and lunar module pilot Fred Haise home safely."

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The Omega Speedmaster Apollo 13 Silver Snoopy Award was one of four new Speedmasters announced at Baselworld 2015.
The watchmaker also introduced stylized White Side and Dark Side of the Moon timepieces, as well as an upgraded version of its original 1957 Speedmaster.

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Some advice. I've owned a Speedmaster for 37 years. The new retro 1957 version I see from the Omega site is an automatic self-winding version. Mine is a self-winding version too.

However, just a few days ago I discovered the reason why my watch kept losing time — anything up to a minute a day. The cure was very simple. These watches do wind up. Four or five turns of the centre knob keeps the spring fully taut and my watch is back to time keeping specification.

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Anybody know when this picture of Tom Stafford wearing a gold Speedmaster was taken?

He's wearing his Apollo X suit, but the gold Speedmaster came later. I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but I didn't see an answer after a search.

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The photo was taken 1972-04-12 according to this JSC website.

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I have read that Haise and Swigert did not receive gold watches for their work on Apollo 13? Lovell received a gold watch for Apollo 8 and I assume his Gemini missions are engraved as well. The second batch of gold watches were given out in 1972 to the astronauts that participated in 14, 15, 16, and 17.

Why no watch for Haise or Swigert?

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The photo was taken 1972-04-12 according to this JSC website.
Thanks, didn't find that site. Interesting photo, taken years after Apollo X.

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I know I had them someplace, I just had to dig them out.

I took a few pictures at the Astronaut Hall of Fame in the early 1990s. One of them said "It was worn by Grissom during Gemini 3." The watch said "Omega Speedmaster." The word "PROFESSIONAL" did not appear.

Now I could not see any number engraved on it.

My scanner is out, but I will mail a set of photos to anyone who asks. Just contact me via email.

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The Apollo13 anniversary watch. Any views? I don't particularly like the strap. Second time they're issuing a LE on a nylon strap!

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While researching the Skylab missions Speedmasters I noticed a small rectangular box attached to the Velcro strap with the small Snoopy worn by Joseph Kerwin.

Can anyone identify the box and tell me what it is or what its purpose was?

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It looks like the Iodine Tablet Package.

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Could it be a radiation dosimeter tag?

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Thank you both for taking a look at this image.

Just to tie this up, the curator from the National Air and Space Museum looked at the image and believes the box is a passive radiation dosimeter that is noted in the Skylab Bio-medical results document that states "The passive dosimeter can be worn on a soft strap on either the wrist of the ankle."

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Always nice to see the Gemini and Apollo era Speedmasters get a little recognition in print.
It was a grand watch, a combination timepiece-stopwatch built by Omega to be water-resistant, shock-proof, and able to withstand 12 Gs of acceleration. Most impressive of all: It had flown on Apollo 11, the first mission to land humans on the moon. When Michael Collins, Apollo 11's command module pilot, was the director of the National Air and Space Museum, he wanted to add the watch to the Museum's collection. When it was inventoried, however, its serial number indicated it was actually Neil Armstrong's watch — and had been on Armstrong's wrist when he landed on the lunar surface. What had happened?

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Omega introduced a few new Speedmasters at Baselworld 2016, including two that might be of interest to space enthusiasts:
The Speedmaster Grey Side of the Moon "Meteorite"

The original OMEGA Grey Side of the Moon is revered for its outstanding design and innovative thinking. Today, this new model delivers beauty in ceramic and 18K Sedna gold, as well as a real piece of space that you can wear on your wrist.

For the incredible meteorite dial of this watch, OMEGA has sourced slices of the Gibeon meteorite that fell in Namibia in prehistoric times. The ribbon-like "Widmanstätten" pattern is clearly visible and also unique for each model.

Speedmaster Moonphase Co-Axial Master Chronometer Chronograph

As well as beautifully measuring every moment on earth; this timepiece follows the phases of the moon, which makes perfect sense given that the Speedmaster was the first watch ever to be worn on the lunar surface. As a Master Chronometer, the Moonphase celebrates another pioneering moment: OMEGA's exacting new standard of testing approved by METAS in 2015.

A bold use of blue gives the Moonphase its distinctive look. The sun brushed dial, ceramic bezel and leather strap are all in brilliant blue. The case is in stainless steel and the twin two-handed subdials with rhodium-plated circles give the watch a beautifully symmetrical look. The image of the moon, in sharply contrasting black and white, is as detailed as a NASA photograph.

Apparently, the moon on the moonphase Speedmaster includes a small Apollo bootprint on its face.

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For information to Speedmaster fans, after 20 years I had my Omega Speedmaster serviced. Interesting "Omega maintenance" website.

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It would be nice if they would finish the production run on the Apollo 13 Silver Snoopy watches before they introduce a new batch of watches at Baselworld. Been waiting a year for my Snoopy.

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The Omega Snoopy 2 edition #1370 has finally arrived. The case back is beautiful. The dial okay and the strap goes well with it. Was it worth the wait? Time will tell.

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Goodness knows, I am as guilty as the next man when it comes to paying more than I should for "space stuff" on occasion.

Why does ANY collector pay large amounts of cash for any collectable? Such is the nature of collecting anything: passion I guess. Each to their own.

I appreciate this may be a rather simplistic question but I wonder how Omega can justify the price of the latest commemorative Snoopy watch? How much more does it cost to make the new Snoopy watch over and above the standard Speedy... or is it purely nostalgia buyers are paying for?

I speak as somebody without the means nor the the justification to own one... but would love to none the less.

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Well, I can answer the question on the Omega Snoopy pricing. The price for the Snoopy 2 is pretty much the same price as a regular Speedmaster Professional factory suggested retail price. If you go to a Omega boutique, then you pay full retail price. It's when you get to a jewelry store that stocks Speedmasters that the price can vary.

With the Snoopy 2, it was a very popular watch and they were sold out of the piece almost instantly. It was very difficult to get in a jewelry or watch store, although I know of one lucky gentleman walked into his jewelry store, found one, bought it for a little less than retail and flipped it for $12,000 USD. Now you see people flipping this watch for $15,000 USD on eBay.

Omega is a great example of brand marketing. The company built a very good chronograph back in 1957, but so did Breitling, Angelus, Universal Geneve and Rolex. But going into space and onto the moon was the significant difference. That journey signifies strength and precision. Facts that Omega has popularly exploited for five decades now.

As for why collect such a watch? I guess it is probably due to a psychological disorder such as hoarding, OCD, etc, take your pick.

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I was prompted to pose the question by seeing the said Scoopy watch selling for three times the price of a brand new standard Speedy from an Omega Boutique here in the UK.

Thanks for the detail Larry: thorough as always.

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As for why collect such a watch? I guess it is probably due to a psychological disorder such as hoarding, OCD, etc, take your pick.
I'm with you on that one Larry.

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Yes, it is a popular watch. The Space and Peanuts' character connection as well as the limited number of them has made the watch expensive in the secondary market of private sellers. I have seen $15,000 to $21,000USD out on the internet. It's one of the few watches that have gone up in price on the secondary market that isn't a rare antique watch like a 1940's steel case Patek Phillip.

The dial kind of grows on you, because the Super Luminova on the dial as well as the bezel show up at night and makes the watch look distinctive.

It is the case back that is the beautiful part of the watch. The "Silver Snoopy" is a hand carved piece of Sterling silver placed on a blue enamel background with sprinkled silver powder to make Snoopy appear to float in Space among the stars and it is all protected by a sapphire crystal.

As for me buying one, well, I have one of the original Snoopy watches for which a "limited edition" of 5441 were made. It was good to pick up number 2. :-)

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My best guess is that most of us prefer the classic Omega Speedmaster with black wristband. All the rest is nice of course and today I saw a new smaller model of the Omega Speedmaster (not particular a women's version) but the well-known Moon watch version remains a true classic for life!

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We are all trying to bring back our youth. Apollo was a magical time in my life. Thanks to Rick for allowing me to live in the past, if only for a few minutes.

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Well said, I just want to point out a great book on the October 2015 exhibition by the Davidoff brothers: "The Ultimate Speedmaster Exhibition" (this 108 glossy pages softcover gives a superb overview of Omega Speedmaster watches).

You can buy it here.

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Here is a great new article from a recent presentation by the Omega museum with new information including newly released documents that begin to set the story straight about how the Speedmaster became officially adopted by NASA for the Gemini missions.

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Fascinating reading!
What is new is that not only one watch – the Speedmaster - survived Jim Ragan’s test, but also that the astronauts unanimously preferred Speedmaster in their own evaluation. Why did the astronauts choose Speedmaster? Only thing mentioned in the letter from Mr Ragan to Mr Slayton about why the astronauts preferred Speedmaster is that they say it was easiest to operate, but the exact details of the astronauts’ own evaluation are not yet fully known. The astronaut explicitly said it was easy to operate with the gloves on. The one tested was 105.003, without the crown guard.
This was in April 1965.

At 115:32:45 in the ALSJ - Apollo 12, CDR Pete Conrad makes the following interesting observation about the operation of the Omega Speedmaster during lunar EVA:

I know we had the watches on all the time, but I don't ever remember starting or stopping them. Because they're the world's hardest thing to start or stop with your glove on.

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Indeed very exciting and interesting information. Now we can start dreaming of Moonwatch publications describing the true and complete history of "How & Why" the Omega Speedmaster was chosen for the manned spaceflight program. Hopefully a realization by the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11.

Example of the many "Speedy" blogs online.

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54 years ago, First Speedmaster In Space:
Yesterday, it was exactly 54 years ago that astronaut Walter 'Wally' Schirra orbited Earth 6 times in the Sigma 7 spacecraft. The name of the NASA mission was Mercury-Atlas 8, and Schirra picked 'Sigma 7' as the name for the spacecraft. Using the mathematical symbol for summation as appropriate for an "engineering evaluation", and the "7" to refer to the seven Mercury astronauts. On his wrist, an Omega, the first Speedmaster in Space.

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With 20 months to go, Omega Switzerland has to come up with a design for the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 Speedmaster. I really hope Omega will settle for a "simple" manual winding steel chronograph with 1968 black stepped dial Speedmaster dial.

2019 marks the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 but also the last year to adhere to the anti-magnetic standard, so it might be Omega's last chance to come up with a real "classic" Speedmaster to inspire a new generation of watch/spaceflight aficionados!

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A lot of watch collectors are waiting for the word from Omega. I have heard rumors, but that is all they are right now. Company reps have said that they may use a lunar meteorite for the dial, but that is probably a wishful guess due to the price of a lunar meteorite and the number of watches to be produced (Limited Edtion of 1969?).

I suspect that the watch would be introduced at Baselworld in 2019, so there is time for them to design an Apollo 11 50th watch.

Since Omega has introduced the CK 2998, the current conventional wisdom is that reverting back to the Pre-Moon version of the Speedmaster would duplicate what was just recently done. And the CK 2998 has not been a huge seller on the market.

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Well there's a lot to say about the First Omega in Space, but it wasn't a true copy of the 1962 version worn by Wally Schirra

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I have no idea how many of the FOIS models were sold, but I believe that the succession of models that Omega produced based upon that original design indicates that it was very popular.

The following year, they produced a rose gold version with a white face that looked great, just a little pricey. This past year, Omega introduced the CK 2998 which is virtually identical except for different subdial hands and the "lollipop" chrono second hand. So this would suggest that they have been good sellers.

As that article mentioned, watch enthusiasts were critical of not having the 321 movement in one of these reproductions. I doubt it will ever happen though. I spoke to one of their VP's years ago and he explained to me that the movement really doesn't meet modern standards for their watches, replacement parts would be very expensive, and servicing would be an issue.

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Fellow space watch fans, the Omega store in San Antonio, Texas sent an invite to a Speedmaster party last month, and I decided I'd better accept. A new experience and a great event, with many space fans who wear the brand - of course. The boutique had an array of factory museum specimens from Switzerland, including a flown example, as well as many fellow fans sporting their Speedys. We had two "Safety Snoopy's," who posed together, plus the rare "TinTin" (European comic book character) example.

Here I am posing with the 2009 Apollo 11 40th rare gold edition.

I decided to wear my less seen 1999 era X-33 "Mars Watch," given I'd be around so many "real" Speedmasters! The older X-33 model has a checkered past, named for the defunct US spaceplane that never went past the drawing board.

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Very nice and thanks for sharing. It sounds like it was a wonderful event.

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Did we already touch the subject of the exact number of Speedmaster chronographs flown during the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project?

I believe 11 watches were flown (Leonov three, Kubasov two, Stafford two, Brand two and Slayton two) but the NASA astronauts might have taken their tribute gold version during the mission as well?

Remember golden tribute Speedmasters nos. 3 to 28 were given to astronauts on 25 November 1969, while numbers 1001-1008 were given in 1972/73 to the astronauts of Apollo 14 to 17.

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I have recently tried to sort through the ASTP watches and from all the images I'm familiar with I can only come to the conclusion that 10 watches were worn, two watches per astronaut and cosmonaut.

There is an article by Robert noting Leonov wore three watches but I have never seen any photographic documentation of the third. All the images I have seen show Leonov with one watch on each wrist, one on an elastic strap and one on a flat link bracelet.

All the images of Stafford I'm familiar with show him wearing two stainless steel watches one on each wrist and both on Velcro straps. I have seen numerous images of Stafford wearing his gold Speedmaster but they are all from pre-flight training images.

Here is a quote from the Omega Museum's website.

On the flight there were a total of ten watches used, all of which were Speedmasters; however, Tom Stafford wore the 18 Ct yellow gold Speedmaster Deluxe he had received after the Apollo 11 lunar landing in 1969. All the other watches worn by the astronauts were the standard NASA issue watches equipped with 321 calibre while all the cosmonauts wore the newer ST145.022 with 861 calibre.
There are numerous factual errors regarding the use of the Speedmaster on the Omega site so I take what I read there with a bit of caution. My guess is that whoever wrote the passage above may have been looking at the training images and made the assumption he wore the gold watch during the ASTP mission. Unless someone can provide an image proving otherwise I do not believe a gold Speedmaster was worn by either Stafford or Slayton.

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I've asked the question as we're updating a few publications on the subject...

In fact Leonov stated he brought three Speedmasters onboard. That brings the total to 11 Speedmasters.

Let's not forget that each astronaut and cosmonaut probably had a PPK (Personal Preference Kit) in which they could take a few personal items, such as an extra wristwatch.

Next year, we'll celebrate the 60th anniversary of the Omega Speedmaster (developed in 1957 and aimed to be ready for stores around Christmas 1957) with several events, such as the opening of a new Omega Museum in Bienne Switzerland. Also SwissApollo is planning a few events to commemorate the use of the Speedmaster... we'll keep cS forum posted!

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I will concede that it is possible that Leonov had three watches during the ASTP mission. Robert's article quotes him saying that so I will defer to what he has written. That said, in all the images I have seen Leonov is wearing only two watches. It is possible that the third watch was kept in the Soyuz capsule or with his personal items. My preference is to always have photographic documentation so from my point of view I can only account for 10 watches.

Robert's article also quotes Kubasov saying the following:

I took on this flight two Omega watches, one on my hand [wrist] and one in my spacecraft.
If the quote above is to be taken as fact then it would be contrary to what the photographic evidence shows because all the ASTP images I'm familiar with show Kubasov wearing both watches.

I don't want to rub anyone the wrong way so if there are additional images out there I'm not familiar with I would love to see them. I would like to have my information as accurate as possible and don't mind being corrected.


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