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Topic: If the roles were reversed
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ASCAN1984 Member Posts: 1049 From: County Down, Nothern Ireland Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-11-2006 01:31 PM
If the roles were reversed would you sign? I am in two minds about that one if i was signing. I appreciate collectors like us and would try to give something special but on the other hand i would be afraid that people would try and sell my autographs. I could also imagine that i would get so obsorbed in what i would be doing i would forget of not schedule time in to do it. But for the colectors who appreciate them i would give a lot as i would know what it would be like. But the chances of someone wanting my autograph are slim to none. |
Hart Sastrowardoyo Member Posts: 3445 From: Toms River, NJ Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 04-11-2006 01:45 PM
By mail - be polite, give me something to sign (and a return mailer), and don't be transparent, and sure I'll sign. Understand that it may take a while, though. (I still remember the request I got for George Nelson, sent to me, in which the sender had asked for five or six signed photos, and the leter was an obvious mass mailing. How did I know? The letter was a b/w copy of a letter which originally was on stationery with a colored border, and Nelson's name was obviously filled in.)In person - same rules. Be polite, give me something to sign. Lending me a Sharpie helps. Understand that I may not sign now if I'm about to give a presentation, but ask me later. If I can't at either time, please understand that no means no _at this time_. I would probably limit the number of items, though. Two max is okay, if you're getting stuff for a friend, okay, another two items. But I can't take the time out to sign a dozen items when there are other people who want to meet with me. On a topic not covered: I'd personalize if you want, but please have something with the person's name as everybody has their own way of spelling their name. I'd prefer not to in-person, if only to speed up the process and make sure that everyone who wants will be able to get to see me. And before anyone asks... I've been doing the "waiting for an autograph" thing way too long. As soon as Andy Allen was done with his talk yesterday, I waited for him, books open to the page I wanted, photos on the facing page, Sharpie in hand, so all he had to do was sign his name. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 04-11-2006 03:09 PM
Active astronauts tend to be very busy people (which is the understatement of the year), so they seem to adopt a "I'll sign when I can" approach or "I won't sign at all, except in special cases" approach. If they do sign, they end up taking away from precious time for other activities...training, studying, or spending time with their families. So I don't blame any of them for not signing. Same goes with the retired astronauts. Many are still active with their careers and can't devote lots of time to signing autographs.I suspect most, if not all, astronauts are aware that a sizeable percentrage of requests they receive (25%? 50%?) are from people with the aim of profiting from their signatures. But I think most of them are smart enough to figure out who these people are...based on the types of letters they receive. A sincere letter will stand apart from a fill-in-the-blank form letter. If the roles were reversed, I would hope I would have the patience and kindness of a man like John Glenn. He seems more than happy to give everyone one autograph. However, if the roles were reversed and I ran into enough people who were obviously using me for their own personal gains, I suspect I might eventually adopt the approach of Bill Anders. I'm actually amazed at how long the M-G-A astronauts would sign for free before either stopping altogether or doing signings for fees. Spending 30+ years giving out free signatures must be very tiring and time consuming. Plus, I can only imagine what types of "characters" these astronauts have run into over the years. I suspect Neil Armstrong has seen more than his fair share of rudeness and greed over the years. |
RMH Member Posts: 577 From: Ohio Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04-11-2006 04:49 PM
I think I would be the same way as those that have already responded. Having been an autograph collector myself I think I would be more than happy to sign. If I were to become as popular as an Armstrong or a Glenn that would be hard to deal with. Not sure what I would do in a case like that. |
dss65 Member Posts: 1156 From: Sandpoint, ID, USA Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 04-11-2006 09:09 PM
I suppose that this is just one of those things that you really can't know how you would react unless you were actually in that situation. I'd like to think I'd be like John Glenn, but it wouldn't take too many times being lied to and taken advantage of that I'd be more like Anders. I've only been to one autograph show (Burbank, 2004), but it seemed like most of those guys were very open and friendly--most likely not because they were making the money, but because I think they sensed that they were dealing with people who by and large really cared about their accomplishments. If you felt that way about somebody, it's hard to imagine that you wouldn't be at least a little flattered by the attention and appreciation.Who can know? I respect the choices each of them has made, even if I wish they had chosen differently. If I were in their position, I'm sure that I would leave more than a few people ticked at me and still believe quite sincerely that they had no justification in feeling that way. ------------------ Don |
ilbasso Member Posts: 1522 From: Greensboro, NC USA Registered: Feb 2006
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posted 04-12-2006 06:45 AM
Re Bill Anders - he was the first astronaut I ever met, when I was in 7th grade. In February 1969, one of my friends told me that Bill Anders was coming over to his house that weekend. I said, "Yeah, right," and I stayed home. Knowing how much of a space nut I was, my friend walked next door to my house--with Anders in tow--so Anders could meet me and sign an autograph for me! I can see why these guys get jaded. I can't imagine how many thousands of autograph requests they get, and to think that people are just loading them up with things to sign and then immediately putting their stuff up for sale on eBay is basically just reducing our national heroes to printing presses. I always make sure to write a personal letter to each one of the astronauts, being specific about what I most remembered about their missions, and thanking them for their service to America and the world. These people put their lives on the line and they deserve to be treated with utmost respect. I collect their autographs now because these men and women were such important parts of my life, because they represent the best of what humanity can be. I don't intend to sell my collection; it's far too personally significant to me. I hope to pass it along to my children, who I hope will preserve these bits of history for their children, too. |
cddfspace Member Posts: 609 From: Morris County, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2006
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posted 04-12-2006 07:40 AM
Let's not forget Vance Brand- always on the A+ list of astronaut signers. I'm sure it's hard to separate the good from the bad, when letters are received, but I hope I would be an active signer- wanting to give something back! CDDFSPACE |
ASCAN1984 Member Posts: 1049 From: County Down, Nothern Ireland Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 04-12-2006 10:04 AM
" I collect their autographs now because these men and women were such important parts of my life, because they represent the best of what humanity can be. I don't intend to sell my collection; it's far too personally significant to me. "Ilbasso i completely agree. I would never sell anything of mine either. To me they are too valuable for example a letter from Barbara Morgan. Things like that are too special. Money cant buy you everything and something as special as what we collect deserves respect. For me its not about the autograph. its about the ability to say what you think and feel to someone you admire. This is an great site. Thankyou all for being there for me and helping me overcome my problems with writting. Its all a great adventure. |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 04-12-2006 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by cddfspace: I'm sure it's hard to separate the good from the bad, when letters are received, but I hope I would be an active signer- wanting to give something back!
Sincerity in your letter goes a LONG way in helping them weed out the good from the bad. In that regard, one should only collect autographs of those they truly admire and avoid collecting to "fill voids." If you write to an astronaut to fill a void in your collection, the letter will read with less sincerity, I believe. Also, as a rule, I tend to only send one photo for signature. Multiple photos raises the level of suspicion that you're a dealer. In rare cases, I will send two photos...because I have photos from two different programs they participated in, or I have two pics are are just crying out for signature and I'd rather not bother them with a seperate request at a later date. But I always try to make it clear that I would be more than happy with just one signature. So far, every request has come back with both pics signed. And I always follow up with a brief "thank you" note or postcard. I always want to show my appreciation and gratitude. Plus, I figure my "thank you" also helps the next person who requests a signature. If the astro doesn't feel that their time is appreciated, they may "retire" from responding to requests. |
spaceman1953 Member Posts: 953 From: South Bend, IN Registered: Apr 2002
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posted 05-01-2006 06:00 PM
As of right now, today, yes, I think I would sign.I would do the "two limit" thing through things in the mail, but I don't think I would track requests nor hire anyone to do that for me. If it got overwhelming, yes, I could give it up without trying to offend....but then if I wrote a book and expected to sell it, I don't see how I could get around NOT doing a signing book tour. And then I guess I would sign one or two additional items per person that bought a book. If I did the "sign once a year all the stuff that accumulated", I guess I would post that on my website....hoping that I did not die with a pile of stuff unsigned and unreturned. Clearly, YOU provide the item you want signed and return postage.....unless I am an active duty official, I got a picture budget to supply them. No, I don't expect THANK YOU notes....justs adds to the correspondance burden (in my mind). I will only use "real" ink, not ballpoint....if it is something that requires a Sharpie, like Kim Poor says...."we do this alot.....and have about every color you could ask for." Please don't send pens....I ain't mailing them back, because they probably will damage your item in transit. What else....oh, yeah, don't try to track down a home mailing address....just send to my PO box or the office.....I will get it, and if I do, I will sign it and return it. Sending to the home only gets it put into the "sign it once a year" or less pile....and you also hope I don't die before I get to your item. Cheers ! Gene |
mjanovec Member Posts: 3811 From: Midwest, USA Registered: Jul 2005
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posted 05-01-2006 06:18 PM
My philosophy on thanks notes is this. They might increase the burden of correspondance, but I figure kindness and consideration have value too. When I send thank you notes, I keep them short and to the point. Plus I sincerely want to thank them. (My personal pet peeve are those who say "thank you in advance" as it seems they can't be bothered to send their thanks after you've done a favor for them.) Plus, the effort to sign and return items is an otherwise thankless job. I suspect very few send thank you notes...in which case it doesn't hurt if some of us do. In fact, it probably helps the next person in line. For active astronauts, I suspect someone opens and organizes their mail for them (but I could be wrong). If the astro doesn't have time for thank you notes, he/she can probably communicate that to the mail room or their mail sorter. But for retired astros and test pilots who might get a few mailed items a week, an occaisonally thank you note never hurts. | |
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