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MarylandSpace
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posted 03-12-2016 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am disappointed that both the National Air and Space Museum and the Udvar-Hazy Center have "no autograph policies" that have handlers prevent astronauts from signing, even if you are the only person within 50 feet. Just my opinion I guess.

milkit1
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posted 03-12-2016 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for milkit1   Click Here to Email milkit1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree, it really sucks but I assume that comes from the astronauts themselves.

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posted 03-12-2016 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for gareth89   Click Here to Email gareth89     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I love collecting autographs, but for me, they're secondary to meeting the legends that have travelled beyond our atmosphere. I've been to events where I've obtained autographs, and others where I've shook people's hands who have gone where I am yet to go.

Admittedly, I was annoyed last year when I was at an event that didn't post that no autographs were available, but it was more than enough of a payout for me when I had my photo taken with the astronaut in question. In my opinion, it's not really about the ink on the paper, that's just a bonus!

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posted 03-12-2016 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes it is at the request of the astronaut, sometimes it is the venue's policy.

I've worked events at all different types of venues, including at the National Air and Space Museum, where you might be surprised how quickly a crowd can form out of seemingly nowhere. One moment, there is just one person around, the next there are dozens.

It just becomes easier to set a blanket policy.

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 03-12-2016 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was about to comment that it could be either the astronaut or the venue's decision.

Last year Udvar-Hazy held a Hubble 25 commemoration, with most of the astronauts having an organized signing - two tables, two astronauts per table. At least a dozen astronauts did "formal" autographs (including an impromptu signing by Altman and perhaps one other astronaut at the end), and two others signed on the fly.

One chose not to sign. I did not approach that person, suspecting they only wanted to sign through their outside company and/or representative. And that was fine.

The formal signings were (I believe) in blocks of one hour each, which surprisingly was enough time to get stuff signed by two astronauts, queue up again, then get another two astronauts. Even with brief conversation and the occasional photo with the astronaut.

While a blanket policy may be easier to set, the Hubble 25 event shows that organized signings can be held at Udvar-Hazy without things degenerating into chaos. Additionally, it would also be helpful to have a "there will be no autographs at this event" line with the event announcement as NASM (and other venues) have posted previously.

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posted 03-12-2016 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MarylandSpace   Click Here to Email MarylandSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am always polite but today I just felt really disappointed.

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posted 03-12-2016 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for milkit1   Click Here to Email milkit1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What was the event?

Hart Sastrowardoyo
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posted 03-13-2016 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Family Day/Women in Aviation and Space with two astronauts.

jiffyq58
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posted 03-14-2016 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jiffyq58   Click Here to Email jiffyq58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They did the same thing with one of the same astronauts (Stephanie Wilson) at the downtown NASM, also for the Women in Aviation and Space event in February. Not only did they allow no autographs, but they also weren't allowing any posed photos. I was really hoping to get a photo of her with my son, but they were having none of that. I really think this has become standard NASM policy, regardless of how the astronaut feels about it.

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posted 03-14-2016 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jiffyq58   Click Here to Email jiffyq58     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that it makes any real difference, but the event my son and I attended in February at the NASM was actually the African American Pioneers in Aviation and Space Family Day, not the Women in Aviation and Space Day. I had a brain cramp.

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posted 03-14-2016 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are still plenty of astronauts whom you can write to and get a free autograph. Now, you may have to send them a photo to get signed, but it isn't like no one's signing through the mail anymore.

That said, it's both right and wrong to blame eBay (and other auction sites, as well as other venues) for the current state and mindset of autograph givers and seekers. Astronaut autographs have been for sale — even by the astronauts themselves — long before eBay came around. Certainly eBay may have been the most popular and arguable the most successful of the auction sites.

But for the most part, it's a buyers market on eBay. Just look at the number of items that are being relisted and/or have their price lowered. Just because someone's asking even $300 for an autograph doesn't necessarily mean they're going to get it — and the asking price is what many people are wrongly fixated on.

And without the buying of autographs many of us wouldn't be able to get that missing piece. And let's face it, in today's economy, things happen. Either one can pay your obligations or have a signed photo sitting in a frame.

People are still respectful. For the most part people understand that getting autographs is as much making it a good experience for the next person as it is for getting something for you.

Five years ago, most of the STS-134 crew plus two other astronauts were Johns Hopkins University. The lecture room if I recall correctly had a max capacity of 300 people. Afterward, we all followed the crew out, where they went into a room. We formed an impromptu and orderly queue, hoping that they would come out and sign down the line for everybody.

They did come out, but all of them dispersed into the crowd. It made things a bit harder, but everyone got the autographs they were looking for, got the photos they wanted, got the time to chat with the astronaut they wanted to talk to. That was probably the best "organized chaos" I've seen. So people are still respectful, and things like this can go well at event where it was not specified that autographs would be given.

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posted 04-20-2016 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I never pay attention to a no autographs allowed "policy". Many ways to get around that. Bottom line though is up to the person who is being asked, not a "handler" or rep or... If they want to sign, most of the time, they will. There are always time constraints on that person.

It may take time to maneuver yourself into a one on one situation, ie, not in the venue itself, out front of possible entrances, parking lot, etc. my record 51 autographs from "no signing event." Depends on how bad you want those graphs...

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posted 04-20-2016 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get that it's cool to get an autograph. I've met plenty of astronauts over the years and I always have something they can sign if they will, just in case.

But to me, it's secondary to meeting and talking with them. I got to talk with Al Worden at an event in Seattle, when they sat him right next to me before his talk (and nobody else recognized him). I asked him about the little things that never make the books, such as when and how he got his gold astronaut pin and some stuff like that. That memory is worth MUCH more then the signature I got on his book after the event was over. He wasn't signing anything else, and I was fine with not even getting the book signed.

I got a call from Al Bean a while back, out of the blue, in response to a letter I'd sent him. That moment, to me, is priceless. I would have cheapened it had I asked if I could send him something to sign for me.

I don't buy autographs, either. And I'd never dream of selling any I've gotten in person.

I find it so sad that anyone who calls themselves a fan of the program would balk at meeting an astronaut just because they're not signing anything...

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posted 04-20-2016 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wehaveliftoff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good couple of points. Meeting them is and can be something, but you do it so many times it can just be another meeting, as many could care less, hate that attitude most, especially if you tell/show them how much of a "fan" you are. Yes most astronauts are never recognized in real life. I cannot begin to tell you how many times I've seen them just walk down the street like us, unrecognized.

Alan Bean has always been a very sociable person, always. Al Worden not the opposite but one on one no where near an event happening, notta. Buzz Aldrin used to be a nice person until just before he divorced his last wife, as well as Harrison Schmitt in the early years, "Greed"(?) seems to have taken over.

Seems against my "religion" to pay for an autograph, especially at the ridiculously outrageous prices many astronauts charge, far more than established sports stars or others who rely on their popularity to make not just a living but millions.

Once again that enigmatic psychosis I shall never understand.

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posted 04-20-2016 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Wehaveliftoff:
Good couple of points. Meeting them is and can be something, but you do it so many times it can just be another meeting
I gotta ask, then, if you're meeting a specific astronaut that many times and it doesn't mean much anymore, why would anyone still bother to do so, unless they're in a business arrangement or interviewing them for a book of TV show?
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Alan Bean has always been a very sociable person, always.
I still can't get over that I'd written him asking his views on a book idea I was thinking of writing, and the man called me out of the blue. I'd never said, "Sir" so many times since I was in the Army! Such a class act, that man. I'd love to meet him in person someday.
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"Greed"(?) seems to have taken over.
Yeah, but greed from whom? I can't blame the astronauts for charging for signatures, same as baseball players, as soon as they realized that fortunes were being made on the very signatures they'd been giving away for years.

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posted 04-20-2016 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MrSpace86   Click Here to Email MrSpace86     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fortunes? I disagree with that statement, be it an athlete, celebrity, or astronaut.

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posted 04-20-2016 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for p51   Click Here to Email p51     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I recently saw an Armstrong signed photo go for $4000 at a military collectibles show. If you're a broker in signed stuff (and there are several companies that do exactly that), fortunes can indeed be made and are being made at this moment.

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posted 04-20-2016 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jurg Bolli   Click Here to Email Jurg Bolli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Wehaveliftoff:
...as well as Harrison Schmitt in the early years
Harrison Schmitt is an extremely personable guy, very friendly, easy to talk to, very nice and interesting. But he does not sign any autographs any more, that is a little sad.

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I have to agree with the statement about Harrison Schmitt being very personable. He's one of only four astronauts I've seen in person (two years ago). He was signing copies of "Return to the Moon." The venue had a no photos policy, but I wasn't sure if that meant none at all, or no posed photos. So, I asked him if he minded me taking a picture of him signing. He suggested waiting until he signed, and then called over an assistant to take a picture of us shaking hands. I was floored. I've met several celebrities at autograph signings. He is one of only two that got me nervous to the point of having shaky knees (the other being Harmon Killebrew).

I have to say that if I'd been signing autographs for several decades, like many astronauts have done, I think I'd get to the point of a no autograph policy, as well. That has to get really old after a while. Or, perhaps I would charge an exorbitant fee simply to discourage autograph hounds (and I admit to being one myself).

I've learned over the years to leave celebrities alone with regards to autographs when they are just out in public. Several years ago I bumped into Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau from the Minnesota Twins at a public event and asked them to sign something. While they did sign, I could tell they were annoyed and decided at that point that I'll only seek autographs at events sanctioned specifically for autographs. It's just my personal opinion that I should let celebrities have a personal life when out in public.

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I've only had the chance to meet three astronauts in my time — Hoot Gibson, Charlie Duke, and Fred Haise. At the events in which I met them, I did not see any policy posted or noted in regards to autographs one way or the other. So, I didn't ask; it was more important for me to have my son meet them and get a picture of them together. I didn't want to risk spoiling otherwise great moments with these men over an autograph.

When I was a teenager and collected baseball autographs, I had a share of negative in-person encounters that just spoiled the whole image of those players for me for a long time. I didn't want that happening with my astronaut heroes.

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posted 04-22-2016 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hart Sastrowardoyo   Click Here to Email Hart Sastrowardoyo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm polite, and go in with the understanding that if you don't ask, the answer is always going to be 'no.'

I've told this story before, but at one event which featured astronauts as speakers, I approached one and introduced myself. They were sitting next to another astronaut and I got introduced to them as well.

I asked the first astronaut for an autograph. They declined, saying they don't sign - by mail, in-person - at all. I thanked them for their time, and the second astronaut signed for me, noting that in-person was the only way to do so, as they don't sign TTM.

I don't think I've had any negative in-person encounters, aside from being told no or not being acknowledged. After a while I just shrug and move on and try for the next one.

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posted 04-27-2016 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for schnappsicle   Click Here to Email schnappsicle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been to several Spacefests and talked to almost every astronaut in attendance, even the ones I didn't get an autograph from. I must say, Bean is one of the best there is. I spent several hours just hanging around his table while I listened to him talk to other guests. I got more from listening to him talk than I did from any book I've ever read.

I believe Bean has changed his policies lately, but a few years ago, he filled up a 16x20 print of the soil sample photo with his recollections of the moment the photo was taken. He's as much an artist with his pen as he is with his paint brushes.

On a similar but separate note, sometime around 1980 or so, I stopped at a fried chicken place in Houston on my way home from work one evening. In front of me in line was a man wearing a Coors jacket. This was before Coors was available in Houston. I knew Alan Shepard was looking to get a Coors distribution franchise in Houston. For some reason, I thought of him as soon as I saw the jacket. Then I looked up at the man's face and it was indeed Shepard. I smiled at him. He winked at me and smiled back. Neither of us said a word. None were needed. I met my hero and I was happy. I wanted his autograph, but I didn't want it on a Church's napkin, so I left with only a memory, one that I still treasure more than 35 years later.

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