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GACspaceguy
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posted 04-24-2009 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GACspaceguy   Click Here to Email GACspaceguy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Whenever I travel to Kennedy Space Center, I try to do the "Lunch with an Astronaut" experience. Yesterday I had another space related lunch experience that was unique as well.

As many of you know I am the Director of Service Engineering here at Gulfstream Aerospace (ref: Gulfstream II used as the STA). We had a happy retirement gathering yesterday for two of the Engineers in my group who are leaving us after 25+ years of service each. With that we invited some of the former Engineers (retired themselves) that had worked with these two fellows. I sat and had lunch with the fellows that hired these new retirees (well one had hired me as well, 25+ years ago).

One gentleman was a Saturn V designer. He had designed the umbilical trench (and all of its insides) that was on the outside of the first stage of the Saturn V, and also went on to do some work on Skylab at Huntsville as well (Huntspatch as he called it). He recalled stories of what it was like to work with German Engineers as well as the time he had to attend a meeting with von Braun. One of his designs did not do so well on the shaker table and von Braun wanted to know what the fix was going to be. He further explained that it all worked out and said von Braun stated "this is why we test".

As Gulfstream has its roots from Grumman and the Engineers from Bethpage, it should not be a surprise that the other fellow was the designer responsible for the tubing within the ascent stage of the Lunar Module. He told of how he had to design the tubing to route in such small spaces and that how while in one of the assent modules, which was being built for a moon landing, he had lost his I.D. badge and they never could get it out. It was determined they could leave it where it was and as he put it "he did not go to the moon, but his I.D. did (no he could not remember which mission). This fellow was also involved in the backroom design of the CO2 scrubber for Apollo 13 where "they had to get a square peg to fit a round hole." He then went on and talked about how designed the system that allow transfer of fluids between the CM and the LM (I'm going to have to do some more research on that one as I was not sure exactly what he meant).

I had worked with and for these two spacecraft designers years before and never really spent the time to pick their brain for space stories. When you are living life, you always assume there will be time to do those things later. I have come to understand that time is a commodity that we can not stretch. I am determined to meet with them again and get them to sign a photo of the area on the vehicle they were responsible for before it is too late. It was wonderful to see them again and a bonus to talk space to those who have the "real stuff".

ilbasso
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posted 04-24-2009 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fred, thanks so much for sharing those stories!

I agree with you 100% that we wait far too long to ask people share their stories with us, assuming those folks will still be around when we eventually get around to talking to them. Having just lost my mother-in-law this past week, literally days before we were coming to visit with her for the first time in several months, I appreciate all the more that our links to history can be cut suddenly and irretrievably.

I have been reading the NASA Oral History Project interviews with some of the key people who helped put Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo into space. The interview project didn't get underway until nearly 30 years after the Moon landings. By this time, many of the people being interviewed had failing memories. The consensus among the interviewees was, "Why didn't someone talk to us just after Apollo ended and it was all fresh in our minds?"

To whom it may concern: Take the time to talk to people who were around in the Good Old Days. No matter what the subject, you'll learn something that you will never find written down anywhere else.

nasamad
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posted 04-24-2009 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nasamad   Click Here to Email nasamad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, wonder if NASA has the foresight now to conduct interviews with the current designers, engineers, etc. and archive them?

E2M Lem Man
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posted 04-27-2009 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for E2M Lem Man   Click Here to Email E2M Lem Man     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wonderful tales Fred! I get that a lot here in Downey. I think I've known these guys for years now but only last week I learned that the Aerospace Legacy Foundation's president, Gerry Blackburn, worked on NAA's XB-70 bomber as well as X-15 and Apollo!

I love those tales!

kr4mula
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posted 04-28-2009 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kr4mula   Click Here to Email kr4mula     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I'm aware, NASA isn't doing any interviews exclusively based on the current work being done, at least at the engineer/designer sort of level. Don't fault the various history offices for this, though, since they're subject to the funding and requirements provided to them. A good recent example was the oral history project done at/near the end of the Shuttle-Mir program. They interviewed dozens of participants for that and eventually wrote a coffee table book about the program. Those interviews are online, too. I think it would be a great idea to continue this for Orion (etc.), but you'd have to find someone willing to support it, as was the case with the Shuttle-Mir effort. Such programs are of obvious value: during the M-G-A years, the historians in Houston did contemporary interviews and collected tons of documents, which became the source material for the original sets of histories and are now the bulk of the JSC archives. Countless other books and articles have used the same materials that NASA and its historians had the foresight to obtain as things were happening.

Cheers,

Kevin

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