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posted 01-18-2010 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Although it's early days yet, it's still interesting to check out the preview of the Heritage spring (April 21, 2010) auction from time to time.

They already have a good collection of flown souvenir items from John Young's missions listed.

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posted 01-20-2010 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rchappel   Click Here to Email rchappel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Seriously, Young signed a flown Texas flag upside down?

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posted 01-20-2010 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The flag is fine. Young signed it upside down. Weightlessness in space you know.

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posted 02-05-2010 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HeritageSpace   Click Here to Email HeritageSpace     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Quite a few new lots have been added to the previews this week including another flown (Apollo 14) Texas flag, this one from Dr. Edgar Mitchell's collection. It is signed in the same position as Captain Young's Apollo 16 example. Interesting

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posted 02-05-2010 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rchappel   Click Here to Email rchappel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Seriously, Young signed a flown Texas flag upside down?
Oh no, not again! You would think that guys who spent as much time in the Houston area as these guys would know that the WHITE stripe on a Texas flag goes on top!

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posted 03-29-2010 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rjurek349   Click Here to Email rjurek349     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see Heritage is now live and taking bids. It sure is going to be an exciting month of April!

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posted 03-30-2010 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spacehardware   Click Here to Email Spacehardware     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see an old friend has returned in the shape of David Scott's PLSS cable, last seen in Aurora's auctions of December '07 and April '07.

I am curious as to why there are all these Velcro tabs at intervals along its length - I haven't seen these on any other suit. Do these fix the cable to an outer cover/sheath?

The head of the cable seems an odd construction and unusually fragile - not the reinforced, molded head I have seen. No yellow parts removal tag either.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this cable and whether it is correct? It seems to be bouncing around a lot. What am I missing?

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posted 03-30-2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe Heritage (and Aurora) got this wrong... here's an image of Dave Scott (the comms umbilical came from his left side off the PLSS) - no evidence of velcro. Also highly suspect (to me) from the artifact photos don't see indication of lunar dust (from second image Scott was heavily soiled).

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posted 03-30-2010 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for benguttery   Click Here to Email benguttery     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you think he may have taken a couple cables to the moon? This one has really been cleaned up if it was ever on the lunar surface.

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posted 03-31-2010 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spaced out   Click Here to Email spaced out     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As mentioned in an earlier thread this cable is a perfect match for Aurora's November 2003 lot 706 - a CM-LM umbilical which was presented to Deke Slayton by the Apollo 15 crew.

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posted 03-31-2010 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes correct...

Also the connector drawing numbers are a direct indication that this was the CM-LM umblicle and not a PLSS/A7LB cable as proported; Heritage lot description lists associated connector drawing numbers as ME414-0465-0012 (which would be the CM side) and LDW280-12107-1 (LM interface).

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Aaah! Now the velcro tabs make sense! This was just too clean to have been on the Moon when even the camera handle was covered in moondust. Thank you all for clearing this up. You are a credit to the hobby!

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Dave Scott’s item described as the PLSS/A7LB cable is being removed from the April sale so that further research on the item can be done. Due to Colonel Scott’s busy schedule, the addition of his items to the sale was last minute and unfortunately, some confusion resulted. Thank you to the members of this forum for bringing to our attention.

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posted 03-31-2010 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunareagle   Click Here to Email lunareagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Heritage sale is up and running and bidding can now be done on-line and catalogues should go out this week. There are 218 very desirable lots, including really choice complete checklists (both flown and training) from a number of missions. The estimates on all lots seem to be more than reasonable and I am hopeful that may afford opportunities to many who haven't had a chance previously to acquire something directly from an astronaut collection.

Although many here consider the coming sales as providing an over supply of items coming forth, I can only add that I have seen much of the available supply of artifacts from many astronaut collections, and I see that the supply is about tapped.

Not that the resale of items will not occur, they will, as collectors trade up or decide to sell their collections, but there is something special about being the first owner of something that came directly from the personal collection of one of the astronauts.

Also, with the cancellation of the Constellation program and the chances of returning to deep space anytime soon seeming to be remote, my logic tells me that these rare items will continue to be in high demand by collectors, museums and institutions.

Take a good look and good luck to all -

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Originally posted by lunareagle:
Also, with the cancellation of the Constellation program and the chances of returning to deep space anytime soon seeming to be remote, my logic tells me that these rare items will continue to be in high demand by collectors, museums and institutions.

My feelings exactly.

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posted 04-02-2010 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andrewcli   Click Here to Email andrewcli     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Received my catalogue today. Decisions, decisions.

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the available supply of artifacts from many astronaut collections, and I see that the supply is about tapped.
I had another well-known auctioneer tell me when I inquired about a particular astronaut "He's got boxes of stuff."

I don't think we've seen any price elasticity from too many auctions. Bring on the good stuff!

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posted 04-13-2010 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm waiting for Bill Anders to release his items for sale to collectors.

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posted 04-19-2010 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lunareagle   Click Here to Email lunareagle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a heads up for everyone as we head into the homestretch for Wednesday's space sale.

Tomorrow evening 10:00 p.m Central Time is the latest that you can enter a bid before the sale, unless you are a "legacy" client which will give you additional time. After that you will have to be a participant in the "live" sale. I can only share with you the many horror stories of computers going down, malfunctions, etc. and the great disappointment of not being able to place a bid on an item you might really want. So, please really consider getting your bids in now so that they are at least on the books.

Many items have received bids, but there are many that have not and opening bids are looking very tempting.

Just curious, what do you think will have more value in 10 years, shares of Goldman Sachs or a certified great artifact that was flown in space? Hmmmm!

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posted 04-19-2010 06:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ilbasso   Click Here to Email ilbasso     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was interested to see that lot 41154, lunar traverse bearing guide used in Apollo 15 training, starts at $400. It was purchased in the Lunar Legacies November 2009 auction for $225. The photos are identical.

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It's pretty darned stupid that the Heritage site has been down for at least the past three hours for maintenance.

As someone who wants to bid and has to travel all day and cannot get to a computer after my 5:20AM eastern boarding time, that sucks.

But as a consigner, it sucks even more!

How much sense does it make to pull a site down for what is likely half a day just prior to a major auction???

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A slick and fast-paced auction as ever.

Some bargains that I noticed:

  • Apollo 8 flown Wisconsin flag (lot 41063) at $1,554
  • Apollo 8 flown Mexican flag (lot 40164) at $1792.50
    Both on crew signed certificates, when you can't even buy crew-signed WSS portraits for that money.
  • Apollo 14 flown Norway flag (lot 41143) at $1494
  • Apollo 14 flown Spanish flag (lot 41144) at $1553.50
A few striking comparisons:
  • ASTP flown mission patch unsold at $598 vs. unflown ASTP Robbins medallion sold at $537.75.
  • Apollo 10 training used map book (lot 41077) $2,868 vs Apollo 8 FLOWN Texas flag (lot 41062) at $2,629.
And finally a darn good investment for the consignor:
  • Apollo 9 McDivitt flown eye patch (lot 41073) at $7,000. Bought for $700 on Astro-Auction in 2008.

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I'm very pleased with the prices of the items I won. I got all three food pouches (lots 051, 052, 053) and two of them sold at the starting bid price, which is much lower than prices at recent space auctions. It looks like having several auctions at the same time of the year make people take what they really want or what they really need on their collections.

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I do think the prices showed a little 'auction fatigue' as there have been so many space auctions in just a few days before this one.

Also, items like the flown flags may be suffering a little from the fact that the same astronauts are offering flags from the same missions in each successive Heritage auction.

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I thought lot 47 was a real bargain at $5380. A fully-certified complete checklist flown on the very last Gemini mission with what appears to be bountiful in-flight notations by Jim Lovell and Buzz Aldrin. That checklist looks like a real beauty for the money.

Also thought lot 126 was a great deal as well. An iconic mission emblem from the Apollo program flown on Apollo 13 by its commander for $1800! Someone got a beautiful item there as well.

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Heritage Auction Galleries release
Mitchell lunar surface-worn name tag brings $59,750 to lead $720,000+ Heritage Space Exploration Auction

Apollo mission hardware and reference materials continue driving popular Space category, April 21, at Heritage Auctions

Edgar Mitchell's Apollo 14 Lunar Surface worn "Mitchell" spacesuit name tag, originally from Mitchell's own collection, brought $59,750 to lead Heritage Auctions' $720,000+ April 21 Space Exploration Auction. All prices include the 19.5% Buyer's Premium. Overall the auction saw a stunning sell-through rate of more than 97% by value and more than 94% by lot total.

"Mitchell's name tag is certainly going to be the centerpiece a of a very serious space collection," said Michael Riley, Chief Cataloger and Senior Historian at Heritage Auctions. "In the realm of space collecting, lunar surface worn material is by far the most coveted; it doesn't get much closer to mission, or more unique to the astronaut, than this very piece."

Only 12 men have ever walked on the surface of the moon, and only 12 name tags have been with them. The tags from the suits of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin name tags are on permanent loan to the Smithsonian, and Alan Bean ground his up long ago for use in his paintings. That leaves only nine with the possibility of being made public, though many of those are in institutional hands.

"I wouldn't count on one of these from another astronaut showing up anytime soon," said Riley. "These are very coveted by those who own them. This was a great opportunity and a smart collector made good use of it."

An Apollo 10 flown Earth Landmark Maps & Photos Book, directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Command Module Pilot John Young, was hotly contested in the auction before finishing at $43,319, more than five times its base estimate of $8,000, while an Apollo 11 Grumman Apollo Operations Handbook - Lunar Module LM5 And Subsequent Book in Binder went for $35,850, more than six times its base estimate of $5,000.

Apollo 15 Mission Commander Dave Scott's Lunar Module Flown Flashlight, directly from his personal collection more than doubled its pre-auction estimate to bring $26,290 and become the most valued of these space flown heavy brass-milled two-cell flashlights to have come to auction, with similar examples from James Lovell, Gene Cernan and John Young bringing $10,157, $8,365 and $5,676, respectively, in prior Heritage Space Exploration auctions.

One of the most stunning and impressive lots in the entire auction came from the Gemini program in the form of 150 Glass Slides from Gemini 4, first generation duplicates from film flown on the mission, directly from the Personal Collection of Mission Pilot Ed White II, which brought double their pre-auction estimate to finish at $21,510.

"These are not only stunning and amazing slides in quality," said Riley, "but also historic as well. These were some of the very first pictures taken of the earth, by human hands, from outer space. One look and you can see that they're simply breathtaking."

Further highlights include, but are certainly not limited to:

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posted 04-27-2010 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larry McGlynn   Click Here to Email Larry McGlynn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I once owned that Mitchell name tag. I traded it for three lunar surface used tools including the Self Recording Lunar Penetrometer Plate (used by Duke in the lunar surface), the Core Tube Socket adaptor that clipped to the universal handle and screwed into the core tubes (and was pounded into the lunar surface by both John and Charlie) and a safety pin with red warning flag taken off the the Heat Flow experiment (has lunar dust on it).

Did I do okay in the trade?

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Larry, I think you did great. While it is easier to show and explain to anyone the Mitchell name patch, the surface used tools are central to why the astronauts were there.

Steve

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Yes. Great trade Larry.

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