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mjanovec
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posted 09-23-2005 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Without looking at the names on each of the orbiters, is there a relatively easy way to tell the different orbiters apart from each other... from a distance (i.e. from launch or landing photos)?

I could always identify Columbia by the larger area of black tiles around the wing root.

Are there ways to spot the differences between Discovery, Atlantis, Endeavour (and Challenger, when it was around)?

The_Evelyonian
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posted 11-07-2005 04:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I know there are no distinguishing marks on Atlantis, Endeavour, or Discovery.

ASCAN1984
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posted 10-14-2008 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ASCAN1984   Click Here to Email ASCAN1984     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The tip of the tail of Challenger was black unlike Atlantis, Discovery or Endeavour.

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posted 10-14-2008 06:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ea757grrl   Click Here to Email ea757grrl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Challenger also had a unique pattern of black tiles around the hatch. Every time I see a picture of Challenger's port side, it leaps out at me.

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posted 10-14-2008 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue_eyes   Click Here to Email blue_eyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I was researching Columbia for my music CD, I stumbled across this fascinating site. The dedicated person who put the site together builds paper models of the shuttles in amazing detail. There is a chart part-way down the page that lists each orbiter and then the number of historical external modifications that were made on each orbiter... and then you can click on each modification to see the exact detail! I was blown away, it was so fascinating!!

Jay Chladek
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posted 10-14-2008 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Columbia's SILTS pod and black wing chines are always going to be the biggest visual cues. Even at a slight glance, I can always tell if an image I'm looking at is Columbia or not. Columbia also kept LRSI tiles on the nose and wings for all its flights.

Challenger: Visual cues to me were the fact that it had LRSI on the wings and below the payload bay doors in the stair step pattern like Columbia had, but it didn't have the black chines. The nose also had white tiles like Columbia as well. Take away the colors of the tiles and both Challenger and Columbia had very similar TPS patterns.

The tile pattern around the side hatch is indeed another distinguishing feature, although the pattern it had for STS-51L didn't pop up until a couple flights earlier. Prior to that it had a side hatch pattern similar to that of Columbia.

Discovery: Biggest visual cue topside is there are some extra black tiles below window number 5 on the pilot side when both Atlantis and Endeavour have white tiles there. Other then that, the three orbiters are practically triplets of one another.

Other things I noticed after the return to flight were Discovery had some of its old RCC panels alongside the new ones resulting in a very distinctive dark, dark, light, dark appearance as you look down the wings. Atlantis and Endeavour still kept uniform appearances to their RCC panels (probably because Discovery had some RCC panels removed for the CAIB testing). The TPS patterns on the bottoms of the orbiters are also pretty distinctive when you see images of their RPM backflips.

Atlantis: Virtually identical to the others. Only really noticeable thing I saw when Atlantis was being prepped for return to flight was the RCC wedge piece just behind the nose RCC cap was bright gray in coloring while Endeavour's and Discovery's was much darker (must have been replaced during OMDP).

Endeavour: Early in the program, Endeavour was easy to identify since it was the cleanest looking orbiter for about its first 6 flights. It took about ten flights to really get a grungey appearance in its TPS pattern. Endeavour was the first shuttle built with a drag chute housing on the tail and this is the easiest feature to spot during the NASA wurm era marking period. But both Atlantis and Discovery (and Columbia) had the dragchute housings retrofitted to them in the early to mid 1990s as well during OMDPs.

Now looking at the bottom of Endeavour, Discovery and Atlantis during RPM manuevers, there are some noticeable patterns to them that I have seen. One thing to keep in mind about shuttle TPS is it is constantly evolving. New tiles replace older ones and while new tiles start out black in color, they gradually fade to various gray shades over the course of several reentries. As such, you tend to see a gray bottom with some darker gray patches and a few black ones, depending on what tiles were replaced when. But since we didn't really begin to see images of the bottom until STS-114 anyway (both RPM and from the ET cameras), the patterns of gray shades tend to be easy identifiers on new imagery of the shuttles.

Discovery: The occassional lighter gray RCC panels on the wings are easy to spot in some images (most common images being from STS-114's RPM). Discovery also seems to have the largest amount of new black tile patches around the nose area (clusters of four or five tiles) while the other orbiters have more single black tiles and clusters of two or three.

Atlantis: The main gear door borders on Atlantis are almost completely surrounded by newer darker gray tiles while Discovery just has strips of newer black tiles on the inner edges of the main gear doors (inner as in towards the center of the body) and Endeavour only has some replacement tiles on the front edges of the main gear doors. If you see a distinctive dark border surrounding the main gear doors, it is probably Atlantis.

Endeavour: It has the least random appearing clusters of newer black tiles compared to the other orbiters. The nose gear doors have lots of blacker tiles to the front. Biggest identifier though is there are two very distinctive black "L" shaped patterns in front of the main gear doors (a long one on the left wing and a short one on the right wing). The patterns correspond to the join seam between the shuttle wings and main fuselage with leading edge nose chines. If you've ever built a Revell model kit of a shuttle, you will know what I am talking about these kits have the wings split from the fuselage just like this. So, if you see two "L" shaped patterns in front of the gear doors, it is Endeavour.

tegwilym
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posted 10-14-2008 05:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tegwilym   Click Here to Email tegwilym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unless it's Columbia, I just read the name on the shuttle.

I didn't know there were so many differences. I'll have to study them closer...

mjanovec
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posted 10-15-2008 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mjanovec   Click Here to Email mjanovec     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by blue_eyes:
When I was researching Columbia for my music CD, I stumbled across this fascinating site.
Thanks for the link! That's an excellent reference.

Mike Dixon
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posted 10-15-2008 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Dixon   Click Here to Email Mike Dixon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sure is... a LOT of work has gone into that.

blue_eyes
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posted 10-15-2008 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue_eyes   Click Here to Email blue_eyes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Glad you liked the link. I've gone back to it again and again for reference and inspiration. Did you happen to click on the home page link from there? You can then see all of the various kinds of paper models this talented man has done. Holy cow, talk about patience and dedication!! The paper models he made of the Mobile Launch Platform and Crawler were absolutely amazing.

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