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GoesTo11
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posted 03-13-2011 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not the usual stuff here on cS, but this just has to be seen to be believed.
Aerial photos taken over Japan have revealed the scale of devastation across dozens of suburbs and tens of thousands of homes and businesses.

Hover over each satellite photo to view the devastation caused by the earthquake and tsunami.

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posted 03-13-2011 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for uk spacefan   Click Here to Email uk spacefan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The devastation caused by the earthquake and tsunami is unbelievable. I feel very sorry for all those people affected.

Also I've read somewhere that the earthquake was so powerful that it has caused the Earth's axis to shift slightly.

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posted 03-13-2011 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GoesTo11   Click Here to Email GoesTo11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Japan moved 8 feet to the east, and the Earth moved 2 cm off its axis.

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posted 03-13-2011 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted 03-13-2011 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rizz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Big Picture: Massive earthquake hits Japan

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posted 03-13-2011 08:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GoesTo11:
Japan moved 8 feet to the east, and the Earth moved 2 cm off its axis.
Okay, two things have been bugging me about this issue.
  • Is Japan now 8 feet farther away from Korea?
  • Is every GPS device in Japan now off by 8 feet?
I know it is a minor point, but the whole concept of earthquakes is quite unnatural to our human perspective, trust me, and this is another one of those points.

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posted 03-13-2011 09:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If GPS accuracy were degraded by a shift in the location of the receiver it would not be a particularly useful system. Some receiver accuracy could be impacted if Japan had a DGPS architecture that broadcasts (and the GPS receiver is capable of exploiting) correction data (these stations are referenced to known fixed ground-based locations).

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posted 03-13-2011 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But would all of those pre-loaded maps in the Honda mini-vans and Tom-Toms now be offset a little bit? I would think the maps had been laid out where streets are at set latitude and longitudes and now they are 8 feet offset.

For that matter I would think marine navigational maps for harbors etc. would be a bit off too. But then I digress.

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posted 03-13-2011 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes - if the GPS plot was cross referenced to a pre-existing map/overlay. My initial response was based on the accuracy of the reported GPS coordinates only.

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posted 03-13-2011 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aztecdoug   Click Here to Email Aztecdoug     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your initial response was quite fair given my question was simply not clear.

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posted 03-14-2011 03:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What effect does the shift in the Earth's axis have on GPS systems and the tracking of satellites?

I understand that the shift was only a few centimetres but how much of a shift would be required to cause problems?

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posted 03-14-2011 06:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The earth's axis, rotational period and distribution of mass (gravity/relativistic effects) were slightly altered by the earthquake and over time will cumulatively degrade GPS accuracy if not accounted for.

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posted 03-14-2011 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SkyMan1958   Click Here to Email SkyMan1958     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The whole GPS thing is solely a software issue and should be cleared up RELATIVELY quickly.

While obviously my main concern is with the humans affected by the earthquake, one thing of interest with the aerial imagery would be to see a false color NIR (near infra-red) image to see what sort of stress the vegetation is under. I'm guessing that as the water dries out that a lot of salt will be deposited which will clearly affect the vegetation in the images. Given that only a little part (15%) of Japan is farmable I wonder if a disproportionate share (flatter and low lying) of the country's tillable land got trashed.

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posted 03-14-2011 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercsim   Click Here to Email mercsim     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know? As scientists, we should be asking "where's the data?" I was taught the length of the day is the time it takes the Earth to rotate once about it's axis. To shorten the day means the Earth must turn faster or reduce its diameter. As the news on the Internet points out, "its like an ice skater pulling their arms in". OK, so the correlation is the earth's diameter (mass) moved closer to the axis to cause a faster spin?

Newton taught us every action must have an equal and opposite reaction. So to move the axis, what was the reaction? Space ships (ISS) can rotate about their axis with gyros so I can understand the Earth's axis could technically be moved or tilted but wouldn't that be an angular measurement, not a liner one?

I can only find a legit source that quotes "one GPS station moved 8 inches." Heck, anyone can take a bulldozer and move a GPS station 8 inches. That doesn't meant the Earth moved, or its axis moved, or the sky is falling...

As scientists, we need to be careful what we read from over anxious journalists. Remember the old saying "if its on TV it must be true." The Internet is obviously the new TV.

I hope real scientists are using real spacecraft and real math equations to see how much the earth really tilted its axis or if it was really displaced.

Ask yourself what kind of force would it take to move the ISS 8 inches. The answer is a strong man could probably push it that far, if he had something to push against...

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posted 03-14-2011 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpaceAholic   Click Here to Email SpaceAholic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mercsim:
Newton taught us every action must have an equal and opposite reaction. So to move the axis, what was the reaction?
The axis/rotation change was the reaction; the action which provided the impulse to alter them was the sudden thrust fault slip at the plate boundaries in the subduction zone.

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posted 03-14-2011 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dom   Click Here to Email dom     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I'm being too touchy but isn't it a tad insensitive to be talking about GPS systems when we've just witnessed one of the biggest natural and technological disasters to hit a country since WWII.

I know this is technically a space forum but can we show a little more respect towards the tens of thousands of dead.

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posted 03-15-2011 02:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree. The GPS issue belongs in another thread. Or rename this one.

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posted 03-15-2011 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dom:
I know this is technically a space forum but can we show a little more respect towards the tens of thousands of dead.
I'm certain that everyone on this forum and all members of the cS community have nothing but the greatest sympathy for the human tragedy of the recent events in Japan.

Nevertheless, it does bring home the fact that we live on a dynamic and often violent planet and despite our best efforts to persuade ourselves otherwise, we have no control over it. The discussion on GPS should serve to remind ourselves of this fact.

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posted 03-15-2011 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cspg   Click Here to Email cspg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so what's the big deal with a 8-feet offset? In other words, who needs such accuracy? If it weren't so tragic over there, I would be laughing at such things as GPS... but I may be wrong.

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posted 03-15-2011 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Robert Pearlman   Click Here to Email Robert Pearlman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mercsim:
As scientists, we should be asking "where's the data?"
NASA: Japan Quake May Have Shortened Earth Days, Moved Axis
Using a United States Geological Survey estimate for how the fault responsible for the earthquake slipped, research scientist Richard Gross of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., applied a complex model to perform a preliminary theoretical calculation of how the Japan earthquake -- the fifth largest since 1900 -- affected Earth's rotation. His calculations indicate that by changing the distribution of Earth's mass, the Japanese earthquake should have caused Earth to rotate a bit faster, shortening the length of the day by about 1.8 microseconds (a microsecond is one millionth of a second).

The calculations also show the Japan quake should have shifted the position of Earth's figure axis (the axis about which Earth's mass is balanced) by about 17 centimeters (6.5 inches), towards 133 degrees east longitude. Earth's figure axis should not be confused with its north-south axis; they are offset by about 10 meters (about 33 feet). This shift in Earth's figure axis will cause Earth to wobble a bit differently as it rotates, but it will not cause a shift of Earth's axis in space -- only external forces such as the gravitational attraction of the sun, moon and planets can do that.

Both calculations will likely change as data on the quake are further refined...

Gross said that while we can measure the effects of the atmosphere and ocean on Earth's rotation, the effects of earthquakes, at least up until now, have been too small to measure. The computed change in the length of day caused by earthquakes is much smaller than the accuracy with which scientists can currently measure changes in the length of the day. However, since the position of the figure axis can be measured to an accuracy of about 5 centimeters (2 inches), the estimated 17-centimeter shift in the figure axis from the Japan quake may actually be large enough to observe if scientists can adequately remove the larger effects of the atmosphere and ocean from the Earth rotation measurements. He and other scientists will be investigating this as more data become available.

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That's not the data, just someone's preliminary calculation. It really needs to be backed up by a second opinion, a technical paper, or more thorough results of the changes. Basic physics says the re-distribution of mass needs to be towards the center of rotation and I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.

Moving an island (or tectonic plate) 8 inches could affect the axis as I pointed out earlier using the ISS as an example.

Gross says "Over the course of a year, the length of the day increases and decreases by about a millisecond, or about 550 times larger than the change caused by the Japanese earthquake" so it appears the news is making something big without giving all the details. Typical news...

Too bad about those poor people in Japan. Some of the pictures and video are hard to watch. People's lives suddenly destroyed without any notice... Heart goes out...

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Originally posted by mercsim:
Basic physics says the re-distribution of mass needs to be towards the center of rotation and I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere.
And this does occur with subduction at the plate boundary, altering the planet's angular velocity. The adjustment to axis (precession) resulted from asymmetrical displacement of mass.

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ESA release
Earth movements from Japan earthquake seen from space

Satellite images have been essential for helping relief efforts in Japan following the massive quake that struck on 11 March. Now scientists are using ESA's space radars to improve our understanding of tectonic events.

Scientists are calling on data from the advanced radar on ESA's Envisat satellite to map surface deformations caused by the magnitude 9 earthquake.

Studying data acquired on 19 February and 21 March, scientists from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory have detected a ground shift of about 2.5 m eastwards and a downward motion of Honshu Island's east coast.

Scientists from Italy's Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia have used the same Envisat data to show a large portion of the surface displacement, with a maximum shift of 2.5 m.

These first results, covering an 800 km-long strip over Sendai and Tokyo, show movement far away from the epicentre (denoted by the red star in the top image) in the Pacific Ocean.

The complex technique being used by the scientists is known as 'InSAR' - synthetic aperture radar interferometry. It combines before and after radar images of the same ground location from the same position in space in such a way as to detect ground motion down to a few millimetres.

These analyses could only be made now because Envisat's orbit repeats every 30 days. After capturing the area on 19 February -before the earthquake - Envisat's repeat scan from the same position in space came on 21 March. Envisat is still making repeat visits to cover the full area.

Another veteran ESA satellite is also contributing to the Japan radar coverage. After 16 productive years, ERS-2 will end its mission this year, but its repeat cycle was fortuitously changed earlier this month from 35 days to 3 days to collect innovative radar information.

Its three-day repetition is providing partial coverage over Japan, north of Sendai. Collection of ERS-2 radar data over this area began after the main earthquake with the aim of mapping the aftershocks. Scientists are now working on these data.

This disaster marks the first time that multiple space agencies - ESA, the German Aerospace Center and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency - are openly providing SAR data for understanding tectonic processes under the GeoHazard Supersites initiative, coordinated by the Group on Earth Observations.

The initiative is stimulating international efforts and fostering collaboration between space agencies, in-situ data providers and users to further our understanding of geological risks.

The initiative provides scientists with access to in-situ and spaceborne data, including 20 years of satellite radar observations.

This joint collaboration, incorporating all available space and ground data, is an efficient way to make significant progress in assessing the area's future vulnerability while reconstruction is under way.

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