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Topic: British Interplanetary Society: Which way now?
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Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2212 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 01-16-2011 12:18 PM
There have been a number of letters published in Spaceflight magazine recently from members trying to help and improve the British Interplanetary Society as it moves into the 21st Century.Do any of you have any suggestions that could be added and hopefully improve and extend the society's image? I for one cannot understand why the London lectures are always on Wednesdays? Surely Friday night lectures for example would encourage more people who do not live in London to travel and make a weekend of the visit? |
moorouge Member Posts: 2454 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 01-16-2011 04:33 PM
As a former member and 'Fellow' more to the point is why the lectures always have to be in London. Yes, the HQ is in the capital, but that shouldn't preclude the occasional visit out into the provinces. |
Steve Procter Member Posts: 1031 From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 01-16-2011 04:36 PM
I raised this point a few years back with Rex Hall and he thought my suggestion of a BIS 'roadshow' or meetings alternating at various venues around the country would be worth looking at. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 01-17-2011 02:52 AM
BIS HQ has been encouraging members to inform them about lectures. I for instance, e-mailed a listing of FREE lectures on spaceflight and astronomy which will take place in Belgium.I believe BIS has to come up with a fully functional website, where members can find up to date information on lectures (well in advance), discuss matters in a forum, cast their vote, linked with the FaceBook group, etc. I'm convinced there's a bunch of members who want to devote their time to help the BIS out in any way they can. |
Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2212 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 01-17-2011 03:40 AM
As you say, why just London anyway? It would be good if some events could be staged around the country. I do feel that the society is quite parochial which obviously doesn't help it's potential.Another comment concerns subscription fees. Normally when you subscribe to a magazine it costs less than when purchased at a newsagents. Now either the price at the news stands isn't enough or their discount is non-existent? |
keith.wilson Member Posts: 87 From: Callander, Stirling, Scotland Registered: Jun 2002
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posted 01-17-2011 04:21 PM
I was a member of the BIS for 25 years but became frustrated with the way the society was being run - high membership fee and all I really got was 12 issues of Spaceflight magazine. When the magazine became available on the hight street I ended my membership. It should be renamed the London Interplanetary Society because it doesn't really cater for members outwith the SE of England. The BIS website also needs to be revamped along the lines of the collectSPACE site or Spaceflight Now. Investing in a first class web presence is the way forward for the BIS if they want to be a forward looking 21st century organisation. |
Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2212 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 02-16-2011 12:33 PM
I have just read a letter in the March issue of Spaceflight from the Society's Bob Parkinson. I'm afraid the final paragraph puzzles me, and I quote: If the Society abandons the idea of Members and Fellows and lets everyone have equal voting rights, what motivation does anyone have for becoming a Fellow of the Society?" How about the honour Mr. Parkinson?
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moorouge Member Posts: 2454 From: U.K. Registered: Jul 2009
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posted 02-16-2011 01:15 PM
Honour. Unless things have changed, I became a 'Fellow' simply because I paid my membership dues for a certain number of years. Hardly an honour, though I suppose being a 'Fellow' does have a certain snob value. |
RPF09 Member Posts: 14 From: Registered: Feb 2009
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posted 02-18-2011 05:13 AM
I was invited to become a fellow simply because I had paid my subscription for 5 years. I though about it, but decided that I had done absolutely nothing which would qualify myself so such a title. I have not written any books, magazine articles, communicated to an audience or the public, or done anything special.I think a fellowship should only be for people who have done such things. Rex Hall was a great example of this. And I agree, the honour should be enough. |
cspg Member Posts: 6210 From: Geneva, Switzerland Registered: May 2006
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posted 02-19-2011 01:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by RPF09: I was invited to become a fellow simply because I had paid my subscription for 5 years.
If I recall correctly, I did receive the same offer although it wasn't renewed after 10 or 15 years of paid subscription, strangely enough. But even after 5 years, weren't we supposed to pay to become a Fellow? I think that was the reason I turned it down. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 02-19-2011 03:20 AM
Normally the term "Fellow" (written with capital F) refers to an associate, a member of a learned society or a member of the governing body of certain colleges and universities.So, historically speaking, it's very appropriate for people with a University degree and it's a way for the BIS to retain academic credibility. The idea of (re-)introducing an AFBIS grade of membership (Associate Fellow) seems to be a good idea. Becoming a Fellow of the BIS can be done by either: - Five years of continuous membership and a relevant University degree (5 years professional experience) or 10 years relevant experience.
- Contributing to the work of the Society or to Astronautics, viewed by the BIS Council as adequate grounds for Fellow election.
After six months of ongoing discussion, both online and in the letters and emails section of BIS' monthly "Spaceflight" magazine, we’re looking forward to get some feedback from the BIS council. |
Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2212 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 02-19-2011 05:29 AM
Considering how many letters of constructive criticism have been sent and published I'm very surprised at their rather tardy lack of response. There are a lot of enthusiasts who want to help and promote the BIS if only they would seize the opportunity to engage with and perhaps implement their ideas. |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 3118 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 02-19-2011 08:57 AM
I'm intrigued to see from Philip's post that although I have been a Fellow of the BIS for (I'm guessing now) about 20 years, I would not actually be eligible for Fellowship by the criteria applied today. As I recall, the eligibility rules were relaxed in the 1980s and the position of Fellow was open to anyone with a certain number of years of membership. It reminds me of a well-known saying by Marx (Groucho, not Karl). |
Steve Procter Member Posts: 1031 From: Leeds, Yorkshire, UK Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 02-19-2011 09:55 AM
Was Groucho's comment something to do with 'not wanting to be a member of any club that would have me' or similar? |
spaceman Member Posts: 1104 From: Walsall, West Midlands, UK Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 02-19-2011 02:05 PM
"Please accept my resignation. I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member" there are variations on this. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 02-19-2011 02:57 PM
In two years time the BIS will be celebrating its 80th anniversary, so lets keep our fingers crossed we're looking forward to a constructive dialogue towards a modern 21st century Society... |
Blackarrow Member Posts: 3118 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 02-20-2011 03:16 PM
I hope the BIS (joking aside, I'm proud to be a Fellow!) will organise a celebration on a par with the 60th anniversary, when the guests were Buzz Aldrin and (via satellite) Arthur C. Clarke. And Buzz signed autographs for nothing! |
Prospero Member Posts: 94 From: Manchester, UK Registered: Mar 2006
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posted 02-20-2011 05:27 PM
I was a member of the BIS for a few years in the 80s. I was in it long enough to be offered a fellowship under the rules at the time (i.e. purely by being a member for whatever number of years it was). I didn't take that up because it seemed a bit silly considering I'm not a scientist or engineer. I live in Manchester, so going down to London to attend the lectures wasn't practical, so all I was getting out of it was the monthly Spaceflight. A decent publication, but I eventually decided it wasn't enough to merit the membership fee. It might be different if the BIS was a more practical organisation, maybe sponsoring amateur space research, height powered rocketry etc, but being a "learned society" with an emphasis on the purely theoretical side, there's not really much in it for a relatively uneducated prole like me. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 02-21-2011 08:58 AM
If the BIS really wants it, there are certainly a few events where members or volunteers can help out in a "practical" manner. Meanwhile the members area of the BIS website still has the same message: This section of the website is still in development and will expand with time. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-09-2011 10:02 AM
BIS HQ will be open to all members for an interesting discussion on the future of the British Interplanetary Society, Saturday 26th March 2011 between 11 AM and 1 PM.Afterwards we can all meet up. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-14-2011 10:49 AM
Follow BIS on Twitter: @BIS_spaceflight
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Tykeanaut Member Posts: 2212 From: Worcestershire, England, UK. Registered: Apr 2008
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posted 03-14-2011 11:28 AM
I couldn't help but notice a comment included in a Spaceflight letter this month from Iain Meek of London. In order to encourage overseas (and extra London members) I can advise that BIS now has a Facebook page. Extra London members? What about the rest of the UK? Sums it all up really! |
Rick Mulheirn Member Posts: 4167 From: England Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 03-14-2011 05:44 PM
I thought others would be interested to read comment sent to me by BIS Fellow Andy Green about the this thread. The comments by Iain were not as they seemed trying to just get members in London as the BIS membership demographic as people know spreads wide and far but that it was rather pointing out that the BIS now had a forum on Facebook where people can talk about the BIS. We also have twitter and more will follow once the NEW web site is up and running in the next few weeks. Richard Osborne has been working tirelessly, between dealing with real rockets at Reaction Engines (yes he really is a rocket scientist) for weeks now on making it a much better web experience. We know it needed changing, we have done that, and it will be live very soon.If anyone is worried about how the BIS is doing thing then: 1) can I suggest they attend the meeting at BIS HQ on the 26th of March to air their views and ideas. We really do want to hear them. Or 2) If anyone else for that matter has a view, comment or idea about the BIS in general, its current status etc they can contact me "off forum" and pass their comments etc. You can get my email from Rick. I am very happy to listen to anyone who has posted in that message thread as I am part of the BIS "Focus Group" (picture in this month's Spaceflight) as well as new "Membership Group Chair" and would look forward to all ideas and thoughts. I want people to realise they have to come to the BIS directly if they have anything to say, ideas, comments good or bad rather than post messages on forums that may never be seen by some at the BIS. The whole idea for the future BIS is for us to be more inclusive, not exclusive, open and transparent and we need the membership to help us with that by communicating to us directly what they want. Also, if people want out of town meetings contact me and we will see what we can set up, without the membership's input we can't do much at all. Especially in forums that not everyone involved in the BIS reads. They should come to us in the first instance. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-29-2011 10:39 AM
Glad to see that the BIS workshop on the future of the Society had a great output resulting in a new BIS website...Update your bookmarks.
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Blackarrow Member Posts: 3118 From: Belfast, United Kingdom Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 03-29-2011 05:37 PM
I'm delighted to have found my BIS Certificate of Membership, dated 11th January, 1971, and signed by W.R. Maxwell and L.J. Carter. (It wasn't actually lost, but I didn't know exactly where it was until I had a hunt through the attic for something else!) That reminds me that Len Carter was kind enough to bring me some Apollo 15 press information back from his BIS visit to Florida in July, 1971. We met a few years later on the ASTP trip to Florida. His knowledge of earlier visits was very helpful to the group. |
Philip Member Posts: 5952 From: Brussels, Belgium Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-30-2011 11:18 AM
The "Odyssey" newsletter is a superb initiative! |