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Blackarrow
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posted 01-01-2012 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been watching "From the Earth to the Moon" again, and was reminded that one of my favourite episodes, "Spider", begins with the closing song from a favourite childhood TV series of mine, Fireball XL5.

On 7th November, 1962, NASA Administrator James Webb finally confirmed that "Lunar Orbit Rendezvous" (LOR) would be the method by which astronauts would land on the moon. The Apollo "mothership" would carry a smaller landing vehicle which would detach in lunar orbit, then fly down to land two crew members on the moon.

Ten days before Webb's formal announcement, on 28th October, 1962, British TV viewers (mainly children, but probably many fathers, too) watched the first episode of an exciting new puppet-series, "Fireball XL5". When Steve Zodiac and his crew visited an alien planet, they left the main spacecraft in orbit and two of the crew detached the nose-cone ("Fireball Junior") and used it to descend to a landing on the planet's surface.

The process which led to NASA choosing LOR was a lengthy and complex one. The idea of a smaller landing vehicle did not originate with John Houbolt, but he championed the idea, initially at no small risk to his career. When he wrote his famous letter ("somewhat as a voice in the wilderness") to Robert Seamans on 15th November, 1961, a tough struggle lay ahead. (I recommend the account in "Apollo: The Race to the Moon" by Murray and Cox).

I don't know when Gerry Anderson and his brilliant team of filmmakers first came up with the idea of a landing vehicle detaching from the mothership in orbit, but I very much doubt whether they were aware of the fierce internal debate within NASA. It would seem that Anderson and NASA were developing their respective flight plans more or less at the same time. If asked about this coincidence, I suspect that John Houbolt would simply point out that it is obviously the best way to land astronauts on a planetary surface, whether in 1969 or in 2062.

This post will probably have left a number of readers of a certain age on my side of the pond quite misty-eyed. For the benefit of others, Gerry Anderson's team went on to make many other puppet series, the best known being "Thunderbirds." Some of the team went on to provide special effects in blockbuster movies in the James Bond, Batman and Superman series.

stsmithva
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posted 01-01-2012 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stsmithva   Click Here to Email stsmithva     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
F-A-B!

(Little "Thunderbirds" insider nerd thing there.)

Thanks for posting that - an interesting detail of space-related pop culture at the time of the Apollo program, plus a reminder of how LOR came to be.

Jay Chladek
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posted 01-02-2012 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
S-I-G!

(Captain Scarlet reference).

gliderpilotuk
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posted 01-03-2012 05:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gliderpilotuk   Click Here to Email gliderpilotuk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Believe it or not I'm old enough to remember the glory days of Gerry Anderson. Here's some nostalgia... in colour!

And for the real enthusiast, a company called Century21 Films has leased a WW2 hangar at my local airfield, built a massive watertank and stage set and is in the process of remaking Captain Scarlet (amongst other things). I wonder if the Mysterons will be as scary as they were 43 (!) years ago?

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posted 01-03-2012 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Spectrum Is Green!

Don't think FAB stood for anything, unless someone knows differently.

On edit - do you think that Gerry Anderson's allocation of names to the Thunderbird craft showed in any way his preference for the Mercury astronauts. Scott (TB 1); Virgil (TB 2); Alan (TB 3); Gordon (TB 4); and poor old John out of the way in orbit in TB 5.

star61
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posted 01-03-2012 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for star61   Click Here to Email star61     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FAB... FABulous... according to Sylvia Anderson. Or basically nothing. Annoyed me for years that I couldn't figure it out...

Also it would appear Gerry and his team were ahead of the game in many of their aircraft and space vehicle designs. Although it has to be said there was a great propensity for things to blow up at the slightest bump! But forward swept wings and a lifting body design all in one vehicle? Marvellous. I am sure the above "kids"... know which one of course.

Blackarrow
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posted 01-03-2012 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blackarrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gliderpilotuk:
Here's some nostalgia... in colour!

Wonderful! Careful viewers will have noticed not only the orbital separation manoeuvre between mother-ship and lander; but also the future development of Eugen Sanger's rocket-plane launch-system. (Apologies to German cSers for the missing Umlaut in Sanger's name!)

micropooz
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posted 01-03-2012 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for micropooz   Click Here to Email micropooz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since we're talking about Fireball XL5, how about Supercar?

Supercar flew in air, space and sea and was on TV, right after school let out, everyday on the "Major Astro" show in Wichita, KS (my hometown) in the very early '60's.

Major Astro was a local actor, dressed up in a silver spacesuit who showed cartoons, space fact questions (which won me a burger or two at Mickey D's), and most specially - Supercar! He later moved from Supercar to Thunderbirds, and then some undersea thing from Gerry Anderson that totally lost my attention at about 8 years old.

Anyway, at 6 years old, Supercar REALLY captured my imagination (along with Gordo Cooper's Mercury flight), and sent me off on a future of permanent space-geekdom that still abounds today!

Since Wichita had Boeing, Beech, Cessna, and Lear plants there, almost all of the adults in the 'hood were aircraft and spacecraft workers. So at the ripe old age of 6 years old, I figured that I could get the neighborhood aircraft workers together in the evenings and build a Supercar of my own in the garage... With apologies to the superb efforts of Professor Popkiss and Dr. Beaker!

Supercar Episode 1, Part 1 and Part 2. "Most Satisfactory!!!"

Jay Chladek
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posted 01-04-2012 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jay Chladek   Click Here to Email Jay Chladek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
FAB didn't really mean anything initially. But Anderson did give it a meaning after he was buried in fan mail asking for the meaning. I don't know if the meaning was ever said in the series, but I recall it was mentioned in one of the two Thunderbirds movies produced by Century 21 after the series wrapped ("Thunderbirds are Go" with the Zero X mission to Mars). The meaning given was "Fully Advised and Briefed" which makes perfect sense.

I have a feeling that the launch system used by XL-5 was more based on the one used by George Pal's effects crew in "When Worlds Collide" as opposed to Sanger's. Both systems used a similar track system and a sled track for the rocket. And in Anderson's case, he likely adapted it because it looked cool!

As for a Captain Scarlet revival, there was a CGI based Captain Scarlet on the air about three or four years ago. I haven't heard of any attempts to revive it. Last time Gerry was asked, he said he had a CGI based Thunderbirds update in the works. A live action movie based on UFO has also been in the works for a little over a year as well, but it is reportedly stuck in development hell.

moorouge
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posted 01-04-2012 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for moorouge   Click Here to Email moorouge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wasn't Lady P's Rolls Royce registered as FAB 1? In which case F-A-B could stand for Fast And Beautiful. The car that is. Though on reflection...!

Steve Procter
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posted 01-04-2012 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steve Procter   Click Here to Email Steve Procter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's to be hoped that any new film is better than the last Thunderbirds effort. Must confess though to actually liking the song 'Thunderbirds Are Go' by Busted which accompanied it if only for the line 'It always looks so cool when a spaceship comes out of the pool. Genius.

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